Official Jon Gruden Thread VII

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RockyTop85 said:
Somebody else might be able to, but as far as I know, it's not really something that can actually be clarified without seeing the actual agreement. It is about how they are drafted. They can be binding, but often aren't, and even when they are intended to be, there are a lot of questions about how enforceable they actually are. I'm still in school, so I don't know a whole whole lot about it. It's also not my area of law, but I thought Cam Clear would do actual jail time and that IS my preferred area of law so take my opinion FWIW.

Like I said, the current contracts are pretty straight forward, but Gruden does have some endorsement deals with places that may not fit with UT's branding (although, Hooters does involve orange and white...) that will all have to be negotiated around.

There are still hurdles remaining but if all of this is true then it's still fantastic news.

I probably should have waited until tomorrow to post.
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I just think that it could be backed out of. I want to get my hopes up so bad but I just can't...yet.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Somebody else might be able to, but as far as I know, it's not really something that can actually be clarified without seeing the actual agreement. It is about how they are drafted. They can be binding, but often aren't, and even when they are intended to be, there are a lot of questions about how enforceable they actually are. I'm still in school, so I don't know a whole whole lot about it. It's also not my area of law, but I thought Cam Clear would do actual jail time and that IS my preferred area of law so take my opinion FWIW.

Like I said, the current contracts are pretty straight forward, but Gruden does have some endorsement deals with places that may not fit with UT's branding (although, Hooters does involve orange and white...) that will all have to be negotiated around.

There are still hurdles remaining but if all of this is true then it's still fantastic news.

I probably should have waited until tomorrow to post.
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The one thing that makes me feel good about the agreement is that I still beleive we are the ONE place he wouldn't yank around and leave at the altar no matter if it is binding or not.
 
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CookieVol said:
A memorandum of understanding (MoU) is a document describing a bilateral or multilateral agreement between parties. It expresses a convergence of will between the parties, indicating an intended common line of action. It is often used in cases where parties either do not imply a legal commitment or in situations where the parties cannot create a legally enforceable agreement. It is a more formal alternative to a gentlemen's agreement.
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Ok. We went through this already today, but to summarize:

An MOU is a normal instrument where 2 parties agree in principal to something, but for one reason or another cannot immediately enter into a contract.

It is very common in coaching. Dooley coached for 3 months with nothing but an MOU. Mike Price coached at Alabama and even got fired with nothing but an MOU in place.

Although it is not strictly enforceable, it is a very important agreement in coaching, because many times a coach needs to be able to start work much sooner than a true contract can be drafted and signed.

It is very uncommon for a coach at any level to breach an MOU, because everybody depends on them so much.

Also, somebody earlier (and I forget who so I apologize), pointed out that it is unusual not to have a "no shop" provision written into it so that neither party can use the MOU to negotiate with other parties.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Somebody else might be able to, but as far as I know, it's not really something that can actually be clarified without seeing the actual agreement. It is about how they are drafted. They can be binding, but often aren't, and even when they are intended to be, there are a lot of questions about how enforceable they actually are. I'm still in school, so I don't know a whole whole lot about it. It's also not my area of law, but I thought Cam Clear would do actual jail time and that IS my preferred area of law so take my opinion FWIW.

Like I said, the current contracts are pretty straight forward, but Gruden does have some endorsement deals with places that may not fit with UT's branding (although, Hooters does involve orange and white...) that will all have to be negotiated around.

There are still hurdles remaining but if all of this is true then it's still fantastic news.

I probably should have waited until tomorrow to post.
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RT, I've been following this since around Gruden II. I would have to believe that all of these issues were addressed before we got to this point.
 
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As stated on here MOUs can be enforceable or not depending on their wording, but whether this one is doesn't really matter IMO.

It indicates both sides have agreed upon a framework for an agreement and an MOU is an attempt to more formalize that agreement.

In short, UT wants Gruden and he's indicated he would like to come based on the terms they've set forth.

Anyone can change their mind and deals do fall apart, but it's generally not in either party's best interest to do so unilaterally due to the bad stigma associated, particularly when it is well-known.
 
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TOP said:
They're literally stealing all of the info from here and saying Arkansas on Grudenville.

It's obvious they're stealing it because it's said here and then shortly after, they have people over there claiming the exact same stuff.

They've trolled their fans really hard. If they had been following over here, they would see that all of the info there was posted here previously. Ridiculous.
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Told ya so...:p
 
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Remember that horrible sick feeling we had when we realized we weren't someone's dream job...Kiffin????? Well, this is the opposite of that!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D:D:D
 
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Details of the MOU aside, the people that relayed this info to me expressed that it was a MAJOR development. You can pick apart the details all you want if it makes you feel better, but those involved in the process see it as significant.
 
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1h Raleigh McCammon ‏@RaleighMcCammon
@ClayTravisBGID Gruden's kids toured Webb School yesterday. That's 100% fact. Not saying he's coming at all, but that's interesting.
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13m Clay Travis ‏@ClayTravisBGID
@RaleighMcCammon I've seen that multiple places, but can anyone confirm it? How do you know it's 100%?
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32m Raleigh McCammon ‏@RaleighMcCammon
@ClayTravisBGID I'm the youth pastor for sophomore class there. I had like 30 kids text me
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Wilson27 said:
Remember that horrible sick feeling we had when we realized we weren't someone's dream job...Kiffin????? Well, this is the opposite of that!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D:D:D
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We'll be getting Gruden and Lane will be getting fired by USC. The irony of it all.
 
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golf said:
It would be interesting to know if it contains no shop and confidentiality provisions.

In any event very, very good news that a MOU has been signed.
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Based on how its been handled so far, I'd be shocked to hear it didn't have some kind of confidentiality provision. Especially with the position UT is in, still having a coach and all.
 
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R0CKYT0P 16 said:
Well they caught you man hahaha. Funny though they are gullible.
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i was suprised they did, you could tell them vince lombardi is their coach and they'll believe it. lol well i made my final statement on grudenville, i went out with a bang, who is actually going to be an insider that calls themself baconhead
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Details of the MOU aside, the people that relayed this info to me expressed that it was a MAJOR development. You can pick apart the details all you want if it makes you feel better, but those involved in the process see it as significant.
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because it is
 
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FearlessFreep said:
As stated on here MOUs can be enforceable or not depending on their wording, but whether this one is doesn't really matter IMO.

It indicates both sides have agreed upon a framework for an agreement and an MOU is an attempt to more formalize that agreement.

In short, UT wants Gruden and he's indicated he would like to come based on the terms they've set forth.

Anyone can change their mind and deals do fall apart, but it's generally not in either party's best interest to do so unilaterally due to the bad stigma associated, particularly when it is well-known.
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This is all true. Sorry, I should have waited to post that, didn't mean to pee on the parade. I'm excited as anybody, was just trying for full information.
 
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