Official Jon Gruden Thread XV

[Virgil Cain]

Must be a Geographical Oddity.

This is why I will never leave this thread.

 

[RagingOrange]

More like stubborn and making every effort to keep his word from an early spring statement to Dooley.

And what Im saying is you dont write a check you cant cash.

 

[Elvis68Vol]

Not going with a coach that looks like Iceman...

Or after....

 

[DynaVol]

Not what what I was told by an AD official the Monday after MSU.

Inconsequential now I guess.

I still have the texts but the end result equals out and we know the various folks around the AD aren't all on the same page.

 

[crparker21]

Well, from info close to the AD side of things, if Dooley had beaten Vandy and Ky, gone to a bowl and won, Hart was planning on keeping him.

There is no way anything hinged on a bowl game. You don't wait until after a meaningless bowl game at the end of december and fire a coach. We are not hiring another coach in Jan. on purpose.

 

[RagingOrange]

Or after....

Or Fulmer...

Ouch!

 

[tlester3672]

Lol the thought of Phil as a savvy businessman coming in to save the day is comical

Believe what you will about him. I can tell you this, IMO his coaching search would not be the debacle that is occurring with Hart at the helm.

 

[GunnrVFL81]

So has Grudes...co-inky-dink? Or is it recycled news fodder?

It is my opinion that the NCAA are sniffing around Oregon and that he will be off to the NFL. That is just my opinion. Also, Phil Knight has "given" his approval "if" he goes to the NFL for Mark Helfrich to take over, in rumor only.
Chip Kelly NFL Rumors: Mark Helfrich has Phil Knight's "approval" to be successor - Addicted To Quack

Forward
~Gruden 2013~ The Reign of Chucky..

_VFL. G.B.O._
SOON!!!

 

[fhod_dj_x]

After reviewing the facts/rumors presented over the past few months I can 100% say harts original plan was to talk to Gruden and work out ballpark figures/terms and proceed with the hiring process as if he doesn't exist. This is for 2 reasons. A) this gives him leverage on Gruden, knowing if BOTH sides don't meet in the middle there IS a guy lined up ready to sign the contract. Tennessee is the top job in the NCAA, in the top conference but in a division that is generally very fluid compared to the west. Also a school he has emotional attachment to.
B) if Gruden changes his mind at any point in the (approximately) 3 months they've been talking, UT has a viable backup option that will still be seen as a success. The problem is, when legit Gruden leaks occurred, the fans and boosters would no longer support plan B. Hart knew this gave leverage to Gruden in negotiations as well as put his job in severe jeopardy should talks fall through, thus misinformation on the part of the AD. Grudens agent followed suit because he stood (at that time) to make an additional $1.5M for MNF, but rumors of visits/talks with hart would seriously jeopardize that as well. Dooley made this problem worse by how bad the team performed late in the season. Had he beaten vanderbilt, he would have been coach for the Kentucky game, and likely fired after. The extra week started the media frenzy too early because no respectable coach would be caught interviewing before the end if the season, so hart needed to misdirect until candidates could be interviewed. BOOM!

 

[RagingOrange]

I still have the texts but the end result equals out and we know the various folks around the AD aren't all on the same page.

Thats that troof...left hand, right hand...

 

[Ez_Vol]

Haven't seen this posted:

SEC Coaching Carousel Update – 12/4/12

Jon Gruden, ESPN analyst, white whale – We continue to receive detailed “tips” on how Tennessee has masterfully fooled the Knoxville media into believing that Gruden-to-UT is dead, when really, it’s still a done deal behind the scenes. Vol athletic director Dave Hart is apparently just a showman at heart. We’ll believe it when we see it as every industry source and UT source we’ve spoken to says this one is dead.

 

[RagingOrange]

Believe what you will about him. I can tell you this, IMO his coaching search would not be the debacle that is occurring with Hart at the helm.

Nope, he would just do as the money says do.

 

['Boro-vol]

I still have the texts but the end result equals out and we know the various folks around the AD aren't all on the same page.

Agree to disagree then?

 

[Dylecho]

Just saying, as Spurrier found out, defenses are much faster in the NFL.

Patrick Ramsey, Shane Matthews, and Danny Wuerffel. Those were his QBs in the NFL. I'm not so sure Tom Landry could have done well with that talent under center.
O-Line allowed Shane Matthews to be a punching bag and nearly an NFC record holder for being sacked.

Just a qualifier - I'm no lover of Spurrier. Just saying it's hard to succeed no matter who you are when Dan Snyder is your owner and Shane Matthews is your QB.

For the record, I was at Griffin Stadium the night we ended Spurrier's career in the Swamp - and it was glorious.

 

[GunnrVFL81]

Kelly to NFL = Spurrier to NFL, IMO

Fair Enough. But I would think he would go for it if he could. Just like the afore-mentioned he would always have a home in CFL and could return just like Spurrier and other outstanding CFL Coaches that were not as good at the NFL level. IMO.


Forward
~Gruden 2013~ The Reign of Chucky..

_VFL. G.B.O._
SOON!!!

 

[Volfanchatt423]

Or after....

Fulmeresque size though.... hmmm :dance2:

 

[Dylecho]

Or after....

This gets a like. :clapping:

 

[allvol]

Great. One day after the world ends. Just our luck.

I don't think the Mayans accounted for leap years.... the world actually ended several years ago (about the time Dooley was hired)

 

[tlester3672]

Nope, he would just do as the money says do.

Precisely.

 

[Virgil Cain]

Haven't seen this posted:

SEC Coaching Carousel Update – 12/4/12

Just posted it to cliff notes. Don't think they are taking it seriously because they noted white whale and put tips in quotations.

 

[SaintLouisVol]

Fulmeresque size though.... hmmm :dance2:

Whenever you choose the shirtless-cowboy hat combo, you are always treading on dangerous ground.

 

[DynaVol]

And what Im saying is you dont write a check you cant cash.

If current appearances are true Hart is showing he really doesn't give a rat's butt about what anyone else thinks as long as he gets to do things his way.

 

[wtnvol]

Ok, just dropped in for a minute....what is this big announcement and who said it?

 

[patrick]

I still have the texts but the end result equals out and we know the various folks around the AD aren't all on the same page.

Post screen shots of the texts or heck just type them out!!!

 

[Elvis68Vol]

Fulmeresque size though.... hmmm :dance2:

This looks like one of those grainy bigfoot pictures from the 70s.