Official RPI Released

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#26
So what you're saying is that RPI and SOS are pretty much irrelevant until the end of the regular season?
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
So what you're saying is that RPI and SOS are pretty much irrelevant until the end of the regular season?
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Pretty much. Slightly more relevant than the AP or Coaches polls because they remove the human element. They are a useful barometer to determine seeding and selection for the tournament. Outside of that, they don't serve much purpose other than to create discussion amongst fans.

I'm not sure what you're driving at, but I assume you have a different opinion.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Pretty much. Slightly more relevant than the AP or Coaches polls because they remove the human element. They are a useful barometer to determine seeding and selection for the tournament. Outside of that, they don't serve much purpose other than to create discussion amongst fans.

I'm not sure what you're driving at, but I assume you have a different opinion.
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RPI is a terribly antiquated ranking method and needs to be done away with. It simply calculates your wins and losses (weighting road wins more than home wins), then does the same for your opponents and your opponents' opponents.

It always leads to ridiculous results like Southern Mississippi being ranked 19th.

The selection committee is looking less and less at RPI every year, and for good reason. The only people that we ever hear talk about RPI are the teams that have high RPI but get left out of the dance because they have 15 or losses or losses to Tullahoma School for the Blind and whatnot.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
RPI is a terribly antiquated ranking method and needs to be done away with. It simply calculates your wins and losses (weighting road wins more than home wins), then does the same for your opponents and your opponents' opponents.

It always leads to ridiculous results like Southern Mississippi being ranked 19th.

The selection committee is looking less and less at RPI every year, and for good reason. The only people that we ever hear talk about RPI are the teams that have high RPI but get left out of the dance because they have 15 or losses or losses to Tullahoma School for the Blind and whatnot.
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To call it antiquated implies that it was useful at one time, but is now ineffective. However, as best I can tell, the formula for arriving at a team's RPI is relatively unchanged. If that's true, how can it have been deemed effective in the past, but not so much now? Not being argumentative. Just curious why you feel that way.
 
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#30
They changed the RPI recently to be weighted for home/away games; within the last few years.

Since the inception of the RPI we've had guys like Pomeroy and Sagarin come up with much better ways to rank teams. I wish we'd use an amalgam of their rankings instead of RPI.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
They changed the RPI recently to be weighted for home/away games; within the last few years.

Since the inception of the RPI we've had guys like Pomeroy and Sagarin come up with much better ways to rank teams. I wish we'd use an amalgam of their rankings instead of RPI.
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I stand corrected in that case. I can see why teams like Southern Miss and Long Beach State have high RPI's then, since they are typically forced to go on the road to play the elite teams, thus driving up their RPI.

I do feel though, as the season wears on, those numbers balance out as teams like that play in weak conferences that would drag their RPI down, similar to why Tennessee's will go up as the season goes on because of playing much better competition.

Don't Sagarin and Pomeroy use the RPI as part of their formulas?
 
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cncchris33 said:
I stand corrected in that case. I can see why teams like Southern Miss and Long Beach State have high RPI's then, since they are typically forced to go on the road to play the elite teams, thus driving up their RPI.

I do feel though, as the season wears on, those numbers balance out as teams like that play in weak conferences that would drag their RPI down, similar to why Tennessee's will go up as the season goes on because of playing much better competition.

Don't Sagarin and Pomeroy use the RPI as part of their formulas?
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no
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
So what you're saying is that RPI and SOS are pretty much irrelevant until the end of the regular season?
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Basically the two main ranking polls is the thing that does most of the seeding. The RPI and SOS dont really matter for tourney purpose.

For example, 7-6 Long Beach State might get in the tourney has a low seed.Bad ranking but surprisingly they have a great RPI.
 
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BigPapaCat said:
Basically the two main ranking polls is the thing that does most of the seeding. The RPI and SOS dont really matter for tourney purpose.

For example, 7-6 Long Beach State might get in the tourney has a low seed.Bad ranking but surprisingly they have a great RPI.
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The only thing accurate in this statement is LBSU's record. RPI and SOS are most certainly criteria used in determining the NCAA tourney field. The polls are rarely used beyond the top 8-12 teams, and even then, other criteria are used in conjunction. The polls are not the end all, be all.
 
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#37
I guess there's only 60-something teams worse than us, and we've managed to find seven of them.
 
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BigPapaCat said:
You lost to Oakland AND Austin Peay...2 terrible teams. With no good wins.

Yeah...
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I must admit I printed the RPI during that week when UK was sub-300 or something close, because it looked so odd and would never happen again. I don't know where that piece of paper is these days though.
 
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