Official SOTU thread

#126
#126
My favorite theme was the 3-4 times he encouraged Congressional action but said he'd use executive power to accomplish something if he had to.
 
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#130
#130
lawgator1 said:
My favorite theme was the 3-4 times he encouraged Congressional action but said he'd use executive power to accomplish something if he had to.
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so what's the point of having checks and balances if he's going to surpass the law.

typical lawyer, doing what you can to get around the law. He does the same thing that chaves, che and many dictators do.

yet you liberal sheep follow.

I loved how he contradicted himself a bunch. he complains that foreign countries subsidize manufacturing, then on down the speech, he says that industry should get tax benefits if they do certain steps.

Gotta love the dictator in chief.
 
#131
#131
Pepe_Silvia said:
I always love when the President advocates bypassing a body of elected officials in order to push through his agenda.
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joevol320 said:
so what's the point of having checks and balances if he's going to surpass the law.

typical lawyer, doing what you can to get around the law. He does the same thing that chaves, che and many dictators do.

yet you liberal sheep follow.

I loved how he contradicted himself a bunch. he complains that foreign countries subsidize manufacturing, then on down the speech, he says that industry should get tax benefits if they do certain steps.

Gotta love the dictator in chief.
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I baited you guys into this. All presidents push the envelope of the executive authority. All of them.
 
#133
#133
Tax breaks are completely different, imo, from the benefits of a government backed company competing against completely private companies.

The funny thing to me is that the DOE (or Obama administration) approved a loan guarantee to Areva, a French gov't backed company, to enrich in Idaho, but is slow to give an American company, USEC, a loan to enrich in Ohio. That in itself is not an issue as jobs are jobs, but his speech is full of contradictions.
 
#134
#134
BigPapaVol said:
exactly. They're ruining this country by funding it for everyone else.
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I realize you are probably being sarcastic, but I believe our country is being ruined by giving away too much to some low income people. Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime.
 
#135
#135
Saw this pic all over facebook after the SOTU.

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#136
#136
The Ron Mexico said:
I realize you are probably being sarcastic, but I believe our country is being ruined by giving away too much to some low income people. Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime.
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We have absolutely ruined our low income segment by making it free to live here, but I was still making the point that those dastardly high earners pay all of the bills in America.
 
#143
#143
GAVol said:
Screw the SOTU speech. Mitch Daniels just gave a great response. That guy could be the GOP frontrunner tomorrow if he announced.
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I judge Republicans pretty harshly, but Daniels is decent from what I can tell. The one thing I can't get over is he's adamantly pushed for strong incarceration penalties of casual marijuana users. Daniels was busted with pot in college, simply fined, and claimed justice was served. It's really inconsistent, IMO.
 
#145
#145
GAVol said:
It's probably for the best. Your eyeballs might have come out of your head when he essentially proposed to double the capital gains rate to 30%.
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Did he say capital gains? I thought he just referred to millionaires need to pay 30%, for which I assumed he meant income.
 
#147
#147
A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities.

Thomas Jefferson



Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves are its only safe depositories.

Thomas Jefferson


I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion.

Thomas Jefferson
 
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#148
Volst53 said:
A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities.

Thomas Jefferson



Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves are its only safe depositories.

Thomas Jefferson


I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion.

Thomas Jefferson
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I applaud you, sir.
It's just sad that the words of this and other great founders aren't being taught. Instead the kids are told that they have to feel better about themselves and that the Founding Fathers were selfish slaveholders.
 
#149
#149
Did I miss the point where LG called out one of Obama's distortions (e.g. tax rates) as blatant misrepresentations and flat out lies? Oh, I guess those distortions were either "nuance" or "doofusy".

I missed the SOTU - first in a long time. After reading this thread I glad I did.
 
#150
#150
Did he make any material comments about:

Social Security fixes?
Medicare/Medicaid fixes?
Economic growth strategies other than "green jobs"?
A net reduction in the size of government/government spending?
Immigration?

I realize these are minor; even non-issues but just wondering if he had a plan for any of them?
 
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