Oh that California education

[utvolpj]

Calif. students rank 47{+t}{+h} in science | students, state, scores - News - The Orange County Register

About 22 percent of California’s eighth-graders tested on a national science test passed, ranking the Golden State among the worst in the nation, according to figures released Thursday.

The state ranked 47th, only above Mississippi, Alabama and the District of Columbia, in a tie with Hawaii.

why do people continue to think throwing money at education will magically fix these issues? We already do that better than anyone else and look at the results

 

[Gramps]

The three-yearly OECD Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) report, which compares the knowledge and skills of 15-year-olds in 70 countries around the world, ranked the United States 14th out of 34 OECD countries for reading skills, 17th for science and a below-average 25th for mathematics.

World education rankings: which country does best at reading, maths and science? | News | guardian.co.uk

U.S. Falls In World Education Rankings, Rated 'Average'

 

[volinbham]

Alabama fighting for another national championship

 

[therealUT]

The three-yearly OECD Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) report, which compares the knowledge and skills of 15-year-olds in 70 countries around the world, ranked the United States 14th out of 34 OECD countries for reading skills, 17th for science and a below-average 25th for mathematics.

World education rankings: which country does best at reading, maths and science? | News | guardian.co.uk

U.S. Falls In World Education Rankings, Rated 'Average'

30% of 15-year-old "students" in South Korea are in vocational tech schools and are exempt from these tests.

Finland provides for personal tutors for struggling students.

Canada spends over 7% of its GDP on education; the US spends less than 6%.

Japan has a large percentage of students, 15 and older, who are in vocational schools; thus, they are also not subject to these tests.

 

[n_huffhines]

30% of 15-year-old "students" in South Korea are in vocational tech schools and are exempt from these tests.

Finland provides for personal tutors for struggling students.

Canada spends over 7% of its GDP on education; the US spends less than 6%.

Japan has a large percentage of students, 15 and older, who are in vocational schools; thus, they are also not subject to these tests.

We'd be a lot better off making that option available to kids who don't plan on higher education.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

We'd be a lot better off making that option available to kids who don't plan on higher education.

Closing down and stigmatizing vocational schools is one of the mistakes our educational system has made in the last 30 years. I guy I work with believes that there is a correlation between the increase in women making more decisions and having more influence in educational decisions at the administrative level and the dramatic drop in vocational schools.

Most women look down upon vocational schools and theefore don't feel the need to emphasize it in schools.

 

[therealUT]

We'd be a lot better off making that option available to kids who don't plan on higher education.

I completely agree.

 

[PKT_VOL]

30% of 15-year-old "students" in South Korea are in vocational tech schools and are exempt from these tests.

Finland provides for personal tutors for struggling students.

Canada spends over 7% of its GDP on education; the US spends less than 6%.

Japan has a large percentage of students, 15 and older, who are in vocational schools; thus, they are also not subject to these tests.

I knew about the vocational schools and wish we utilized them in our educational system.

However, I did not know they were exempt from those international standard tests. Thanks for posting.

 

[Weezy]

I blame it on the nice warm weather.

 

[PKT_VOL]

I blame it on the nice warm weather.

Not to start a race war, but I would venture to guess that those states with the biggest passing percentages are among the states with the lowest illegal immigrants and minorities (non Asian).

Btw...I am not implying that race has anything to do with intellectual capacity. Just that certain segments of society push education more than others.

 

[slh1089]

Not to start a race war, but I would venture to guess that those states with the biggest passing percentages are among the states with the lowest illegal immigrants and minorities (non Asian).

Btw...I am not implying that race has anything to do with intellectual capacity. Just that certain segments of society push education more than others.

I wouldnt necessarily put it simply just on the minority(s) pushing education on themselves, or the lack there of, but rather the socio-economic situation.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

I think economics has little to do with academics. Fatherless homes are the root IMO just like incarceration rates. Why do your homework or study when dads not there to put a foot in your butt if you don't. In many cases its grandparents raising the kids these days, or nobody cause single moms are working 2 or more minimum wage jobs. We will continue to decline until changes are made at home. Not holding my breath, either.

 

[allvol123]

That "socio-economic situation" thingy was a fancy term for excuse, right?

 

[therealUT]

I think economics has little to do with academics. Fatherless homes are the root IMO just like incarceration rates. Why do your homework or study when dads not there to put a foot in your butt if you don't. In many cases its grandparents raising the kids these days, or nobody cause single moms are working 2 or more minimum wage jobs. We will continue to decline until changes are made at home. Not holding my breath, either.

What the what?

 

[myrobbins7]

Speaking of good ole Cali.

Gov. Jerry Brown, disclosing the development in a video posted on YouTube, said that California’s shortfall was now projected to be $16 billion, up from $9.2 billion in January. Mr. Brown said that he would propose a revised budget on Monday to deal with it.

“We are now facing a $16 billion hole, not the $9 billion we thought in January,” Mr. Brown said. “This means we will have to go much further and make cuts far greater than I asked for at the beginning of the year.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/13/us/huge-new-shortfall-predicted-in-california-budget.html?_r=1&hp

 

[allvol123]

Oh no, he might make the dreaded political turn to threatening education cuts if taxes aren't raised. You aren't anti-education, are you?

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Trut you're sharp enough to figure that out. In many cases latch key kids have no parent in the home most of the time bc the single parent responsible is always at work. The problem IMO isn't money, its leadership or lack thereof. My dad came up dirt floor poor and has 2 masters degrees. School books are free, so is the lunch and supplies if you are poor. Money is not an excuse to make bad grades. Its either a lack of intelligence, or a lack of discipline. Most of the time its the latter. Been in public lately? Notice how people absolutely don't make their children mind? Its incredible. Try to eat dinner or watch a movie without seeing an out of control child. Adults don't even act embarrassed any more while their children run around restaurants, ruin movies, run amok in stores...American parents in many cases are too damn lazy to raise their kids right. My mom would have beaten me, publicly, for any behavior I have mentioned in this post. I thank God for that...and I thanked her for it yesterday.

 

[therealUT]

Trut you're sharp enough to figure that out. In many cases latch key kids have no parent in the home most of the time bc the single parent responsible is always at work. The problem IMO isn't money, its leadership or lack thereof. My dad came up dirt floor poor and has 2 masters degrees. School books are free, so is the lunch and supplies if you are poor. Money is not an excuse to make bad grades. Its either a lack of intelligence, or a lack of discipline. Most of the time its the latter.

You stated that mom not being around because she is working two part-time, minimum wage jobs is a problem; you stated this after saying that education has nothing to do with economics. I found that odd.

Here, again, you have stated that there is a lack of leadership in the lives of latchkey kids; these kids are latchkey kids because their parents are working. So, again, economics is playing a role (how substantial that role is, I will not venture to estimate) in academics.

The majority (there will always be exceptions) of children lack the drive and initiative to be self-starters and self-discipliners; parents ought to fill this void and instill these qualities in their children as their children mature. Parents that are constantly working have a harder time doing so.

Your father sounds like an exception; however, your father also might have benefited (I do not know, though) from having a stay-at-home mom in the house who, while they were poor, was there to instill discipline and motivation.

I was fortunate enough that my Mom worked nights until my older sister was in 5th Grade; then she worked days. She would still fix dinner and took an interest in our lives and in our schoolwork; however, it was my older sister who disciplined my brother and me and forced us to do our homework when we got home from school. This was possible because my Mom had deeply instilled those values in her; she in turn instilled them in both my brother and me.

The fact that parents have such an influence on their children's education, combined with the fact that many parents work (and work a lot), leads me to believe that public schools (if we are actually asking the public education system to educate our children) should be boarding schools.

 

[lawgator1]

Not to start a race war, but I would venture to guess that those states with the biggest passing percentages are among the states with the lowest illegal immigrants and minorities (non Asian).

Btw...I am not implying that race has anything to do with intellectual capacity. Just that certain segments of society push education more than others.

Except that Texas falls into the second tier.

If anything, with the exception of California it appears that the states with the lower pass rates are those with more religious populations.

 

[Lexvol]

Raise expectations and stop giving out high school and college diplomas like candy. Placing emphasis on real vocational ed would be terrific as well. Of course most high school and colleges are glorified vo-tech schools any way.

 

[volfan2024]

It is so easy to blame everything on everyone else. What about being lazy in class and not caring. At some point in your life you have to become accountable for your own well being as far as academics go. I'm not saying there are a few cases out there but having educators in the family, college and elementary, language barriers,parent participation, students that should be kept to repeat a grade being forced to advance by there parents even though they are way behind(and that parent comes to one meeting a week prior to school being dismissed for summer), that's whats going on just to toss out a few points. My boys have masters, my wife is an RN, as for me, all I cared about while in school were sports and girls. I did however wake up after my children were born and much older and managed to obtain a bs degree much later in life. But I did it.

 

[therealUT]

It is so easy to blame everything on everyone else. What about being lazy in class and not caring. At some point in your life you have to become accountable for your own well being as far as academics go.

I agree, and this does require holding students back (even for multiple years). It is very difficult to hold a 6-year-old accountable for their own academics; I would say that same for most 7, 8, and 9 year-old children. Yet, it is at these levels that the foundations of grammar and arithmetic are instilled; by the time a child is mature enough to be responsible for his/her own education, it may be too late for him/her to actually do anything.

The fix could certainly be to hold children back; maybe have a few 9-year-old children who are still in first grade and some who never make it past sixth grade in twelve years of formal schooling. Of course, this also appears to be extremely inefficient and a vast waste of resources; why not spend the resources more wisely and just board public school children?

 

[Lexvol]

I agree, and this does require holding students back (even for multiple years). It is very difficult to hold a 6-year-old accountable for their own academics; I would say that same for most 7, 8, and 9 year-old children. Yet, it is at these levels that the foundations of grammar and arithmetic are instilled; by the time a child is mature enough to be responsible for his/her own education, it may be too late for him/her to actually do anything.

The fix could certainly be to hold children back; maybe have a few 9-year-old children who are still in first grade and some who never make it past sixth grade in twelve years of formal schooling. Of course, this also appears to be extremely inefficient and a vast waste of resources; why not spend the resources more wisely and just board public school children?

First deal with the apathy that comes with political correctness. The rest will take care of itself.

 

[Spartacavolus]

Just change the curriculums. There are really no reasons why my kids should be wasting time on certain things that have nothing to do with thriving in todays world. Read about early societies for a day, then move on to the societies of the recent past, present and future by prepping the kids.
And find more avenues for kids with special talents or focus, other than harder classes. You know what ADD is in my mind quite often? A bored kid that could care less about mesopotamia, but has enough focus to build a 2 foot tall lego Mario from rote without a mistake.
Change the curriculum and find a way to keep bright kids motivated.

 

[volinbham]

Speaking of good ole Cali.

Gov. Jerry Brown, disclosing the development in a video posted on YouTube, said that California’s shortfall was now projected to be $16 billion, up from $9.2 billion in January. Mr. Brown said that he would propose a revised budget on Monday to deal with it.

“We are now facing a $16 billion hole, not the $9 billion we thought in January,” Mr. Brown said. “This means we will have to go much further and make cuts far greater than I asked for at the beginning of the year.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/13/us/huge-new-shortfall-predicted-in-california-budget.html?_r=1&hp

Saw this on the news today - that's quite a math mistake. Must but that poor education...