Ohio State... Love Conquers All?

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The Braves had tshirts during their World Series run that said “Just a little love”. This isn’t uncommon at all
 
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It’s explained best here.


Ohio State fan or not, this is 🔥


 
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I have a funny feeling Ohio State is not going to be that good this year. I mean they will still win 9-10 games but I think both Michigan and Penn State may beat them.
 
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volbound1700 said:
I have a funny feeling Ohio State is not going to be that good this year. I mean they will still win 9-10 games but I think both Michigan and Penn State may beat them.
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I was actually thinking if Day gets fired I could see A&M picking him up if they fire Jimbo. either that or Saban has his next OC.
 
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volbound1700 said:
I have a funny feeling Ohio State is not going to be that good this year. I mean they will still win 9-10 games but I think both Michigan and Penn State may beat them.
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If Day loses to Michigan again, he's gone. And I hope they do.

The fundamental problem at tOSU, besides the fact they're the most arrogant pricks on the planet, is that Ryan Day isn't really an elite coach. He's the Stetson Bennett of high level coaching who is just running the system and he's been successful because of where he is, not who he is.

When he runs into similar talent and better coaching, he loses more times than he wins.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
If Day loses to Michigan again, he's gone. And I hope they do.

The fundamental problem at tOSU, besides the fact they're the most arrogant pricks on the planet, is that Ryan Day isn't really an elite coach. He's the Stetson Bennett of high level coaching who is just running the system and he's been successful because of where he is, not who he is.

When he runs into similar talent and better coaching, he loses more times than he wins.
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I do think he is riding Urban Meyer's talent/coattails. Issue with B1G is that it is a top heavy league and always has been. This is why SEC will win realignment.

Ohio State can win 7-8 games just with its logo and superior talent. The Michigan, Penn State, and a few other teams can compete with them somewhat on regular bases but most of the league is mediocre.

One key item that sums it up is that I work with a lot of people from Minnesota and Wisconsin and very few of them even know about their local college, B1G teams. They know they exist but most of them are all about Packers, Vikings, etc. You don't see that in SEC states. Falcons, Saints, Bucs, Dolphins, Texas, etc. don't entirely overshadow the local SEC team to the point that they don't have that much of a following.

Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, and Nebraska (although they are not good on the field right now) are the exceptions. Iowa is an interesting exception as well but they have no team.

However schools like Illinois, Minnesota, Indiana, Rutgers, Purdue, Northwestern, etc. are rarely good and just don't have the fan following or the program support. Basically, they are all a bunch of Kentucky or Vandys. Well Kentucky has more fan support than any of them actually so probably not fair to Kentucky.

Ohio State just eats those teams up.
 
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volbound1700 said:
I do think he is riding Urban Meyer's talent/coattails. Issue with B1G is that it is a top heavy league and always has been. This is why SEC will win realignment.

Ohio State can win 7-8 games just with its logo and superior talent. The Michigan, Penn State, and a few other teams can compete with them somewhat on regular bases but most of the league is mediocre.

One key item that sums it up is that I work with a lot of people from Minnesota and Wisconsin and very few of them even know about their local college, B1G teams. They know they exist but most of them are all about Packers, Vikings, etc. You don't see that in SEC states. Falcons, Saints, Bucs, Dolphins, Texas, etc. don't entirely overshadow the local SEC team to the point that they don't have that much of a following.

Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, and Nebraska (although they are not good on the field right now) are the exceptions. Iowa is an interesting exception as well but they have no team.

However schools like Illinois, Minnesota, Indiana, Rutgers, Purdue, Northwestern, etc. are rarely good and just don't have the fan following or the program support. Basically, they are all a bunch of Kentucky or Vandys. Well Kentucky has more fan support than any of them actually so probably not fair to Kentucky.

Ohio State just eats those teams up.
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Ryan Day was never a head coach before taking over Ohio State. Just think about that. One of the biggest, most storied college football teams in America hires a head coach with ZERO head coaching experience.

That tells you all you need to know about how arrogant they are.
 
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volbound1700 said:
I do think he is riding Urban Meyer's talent/coattails. Issue with B1G is that it is a top heavy league and always has been. This is why SEC will win realignment.

Ohio State can win 7-8 games just with its logo and superior talent. The Michigan, Penn State, and a few other teams can compete with them somewhat on regular bases but most of the league is mediocre.

One key item that sums it up is that I work with a lot of people from Minnesota and Wisconsin and very few of them even know about their local college, B1G teams. They know they exist but most of them are all about Packers, Vikings, etc. You don't see that in SEC states. Falcons, Saints, Bucs, Dolphins, Texas, etc. don't entirely overshadow the local SEC team to the point that they don't have that much of a following.

Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, and Nebraska (although they are not good on the field right now) are the exceptions. Iowa is an interesting exception as well but they have no team.

However schools like Illinois, Minnesota, Indiana, Rutgers, Purdue, Northwestern, etc. are rarely good and just don't have the fan following or the program support. Basically, they are all a bunch of Kentucky or Vandys. Well Kentucky has more fan support than any of them actually so probably not fair to Kentucky.

Ohio State just eats those teams up.
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It isn't just Urban's coattails. I think Ohio St has a little bit of an LSU thing going on, where the program is good no matter who is running it due to structural things they have going in their favor.

If you throw out the one-off losing season they had in the wake of the Jim Tressel scandal, Ohio St's last losing season was in 1988. The last season they didn't finish over .500 was 1999. Because of that, they are also prone to label any coach of theirs who doesn't win a national title as a terrible coach, even though they are probably much better than their fans give them credit for. They did that with John Cooper, and they're currently doing that with Ryan Day. I don't think Day is an elite coach either, but listening to some of their fans talk about him, you'd think he had a .500 record or something like that since he took over.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Ryan Day was never a head coach before taking over Ohio State. Just think about that. One of the biggest, most storied college football teams in America hires a head coach with ZERO head coaching experience.

That tells you all you need to know about how arrogant they are.
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It also says a lot about the advantages their program has that they appointed said coach to the job and he's lost 6 games in 4 seasons.
 
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05_never_again said:
It also says a lot about the advantages their program has that they appointed said coach to the job and he's lost 6 games in 4 seasons.
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It's the machine and the conference. Where else are you going to go if you're elite, want to go to the next level, and are determined to play in the B1G? I suppose Michigan has some draw, these days, but it's mostly tOSU that gets all the lights in the B1G.

I'd like to think Alabama will chug to a halt pretty quickly after Nick leaves because if you want to come to the SEC, there's several good programs, coaches, and opportunities to shine for scouts.

I feel really dirty mentioning both Ohio State and Alabama in the same post. I need 2 shots of Jack and a Cracker Barrel meat loaf dinner to cleanse myself.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
It's the machine and the conference. Where else are you going to go if you're elite, want to go to the next level, and are determined to play in the B1G? I suppose Michigan has some draw, these days, but it's mostly tOSU that gets all the lights in the B1G.

I'd like to think Alabama will chug to a halt pretty quickly after Nick leaves because if you want to come to the SEC, there's several good programs, coaches, and opportunities to shine for scouts.

I feel really dirty mentioning both Ohio State and Alabama in the same post. I need 2 shots of Jack and a Cracker Barrel meat loaf dinner to cleanse myself.
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That's quite an understatement to say Michigan has "some draw" - IMO, that fanbase is actually more arrogant than Ohio St. There isn't a fanbase that overestimates the historical performance of their football program more than Michigan.

But you're right - that conference has long been a 2-man show with Penn St also getting some face time, but they've only been in it since 1992. The Big Ten West in particular is just not very good. Wisconsin frequently punches above their weight, and Iowa does occasionally, but neither are CFB powers. Nebraska was once a powerful program but hasn't done anything in years. The remaining schools (Purdue, Illinois, Minnesota, N'western) haven't been good in the modern era for more than a season or two at a time.
 
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05_never_again said:
It isn't just Urban's coattails. I think Ohio St has a little bit of an LSU thing going on, where the program is good no matter who is running it due to structural things they have going in their favor.

If you throw out the one-off losing season they had in the wake of the Jim Tressel scandal, Ohio St's last losing season was in 1988. The last season they didn't finish over .500 was 1999. Because of that, they are also prone to label any coach of theirs who doesn't win a national title as a terrible coach, even though they are probably much better than their fans give them credit for. They did that with John Cooper, and they're currently doing that with Ryan Day. I don't think Day is an elite coach either, but listening to some of their fans talk about him, you'd think he had a .500 record or something like that since he took over.
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Possible. The issue is that the B1G, outside of a few other teams like Michigan and Penn State, is also just not that competitive, especially from a recruiting stand point, against Ohio State.

Now Ryan Day is still beating some of the decent teams in the B1G as well so you have to give him credit for that. They could fall to 8-4 or something like that but he is keeping them in the 11-1 or 10-2 range every year.

I don't see him getting fired, even if he loses to Michigan. He would have to fall to 8-4 or worse to start getting on the hot seat.

That would be like Tennessee firing Fulmer in 1997 for not beating Florida.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Possible. The issue is that the B1G, outside of a few other teams like Michigan and Penn State, is also just not that competitive, especially from a recruiting stand point, against Ohio State.

Now Ryan Day is still beating some of the decent teams in the B1G as well so you have to give him credit for that. They could fall to 8-4 or something like that but he is keeping them in the 11-1 or 10-2 range every year.

I don't see him getting fired, even if he loses to Michigan. He would have to fall to 8-4 or worse to start getting on the hot seat.

That would be like Tennessee firing Fulmer in 1997 for not beating Florida.
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I don't think Ohio St would fire day for losing to just Michigan. They want to win that game more than any other, but if he's going 11-1 with a loss to Michigan he'll stay. He will get fired though if he starts consistently throwing in another conference loss.

It's hilarious how fast narratives change. Just 2 years ago, Harbaugh was the bad/overrated coach because he couldn't beat Ohio St. Lost 5x in a row. Now it's Day who is wildly overrated because he's lost to them 2x in a row, even though he beat them 2x in a row before that.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Ryan Day was never a head coach before taking over Ohio State. Just think about that. One of the biggest, most storied college football teams in America hires a head coach with ZERO head coaching experience.

That tells you all you need to know about how arrogant they are.
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Not sure this point is so important. It can work out with the correct first-time HC hire.
Phil Fulmer
Kirby Smart
Bob Stoops
Dabo Swinney

Even Jimbo Fisher won a National Championship during his first head coaching tenure. That reminds me how nice it is the HC-in-waiting position is no longer a thing.
 
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Just watched an interview of Day by Joel Klatt. He's still crying about losing to Georgia and that DB laying the wood to Harrison. Also complaining about scheduling by other teams with thinly viewed crying about the SEC's 8 game conference plate.

Klatt asked him what coaches around the country did he lookup to as to how they were doing things and the success of their teams. He completely ignores SEC coaches and Dabo, who have whipped him, but named the coach of Washington, Illinois, and...Mr 65-7 himself, Sonny Dykes. LoL!

Pretty much a prick.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
If Day loses to Michigan again, he's gone. And I hope they do.

The fundamental problem at tOSU, besides the fact they're the most arrogant pricks on the planet, is that Ryan Day isn't really an elite coach. He's the Stetson Bennett of high level coaching who is just running the system and he's been successful because of where he is, not who he is.

When he runs into similar talent and better coaching, he loses more times than he wins.
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Ryan Day was never a head coach before taking over Ohio State. Just think about that. One of the biggest, most storied college football teams in America hires a head coach with ZERO head coaching experience.

That tells you all you need to know about how arrogant they are.
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Hmmm, where did Neyland coach before UT? Battle? Fulmer? Beldar?
 
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EasternVol said:
Hmmm, where did Neyland coach before UT? Battle? Fulmer? Beldar?
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Shall we revisit ancient history?

Putting a first time coach in charge of one of the biggest football machines in MODERN college football is not a recipe for long-term success.

Some have done it. Most aren't up to that kind of challenge. Ryan Day won't be. He's only been successful because the B1G was a two team conference and Ohio State recruited itself.

With expansion, Day will be exposed. He's not that good of a game coach and he'll prove to be an average recruiter vs Nike money and Riley's smooth talk.
 
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