Oklahoma to PAC-12

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Even with OU and Texas to the PAC (whatever is it now), the SEC is still the best conference in the country.
 
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So, does the PAC-12 get perenially dominated by Texas, OU, USC (when schollie cap is lifted), and Oregon? It seems like those are the only schools that actually place an emphasis on their football programs. Not to mention that CA recruiting is open for the Texas and Oklahoma schools.
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So what's the general consensus now? Texas and OU are headed to the PAC 12? Is OK State going to follow OU and who would be the 16th team? Baylor (sarcasm)?
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bamawriter said:
Which is 2014. And I'm willing to bet that the Fiesta Bowl would pitch a fit if they were required to take a school from a Big 12 sans Texas, A&M, Tech, OU, and OSU.
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I thought the period ended then, but they could not remove auto-bids until later. Like 2016 or 2018 later.
 
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Ericvol2096 said:
People are saying Texas' number 1 choice is the ACC.
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Texas's number 1 choice is to keep their network while (preferably, though not necessarily) remaining in a preserved Big 12

I'd like to see who/ from where you're talking about here

they have spoken with them.....but, like several have written and pointed out, the talks aren't all that serious and that outcome is more unlikely (ESPN analysts and bloggers have said it's pretty unlikely....more of a "since they have multiple options, they're going to at least entertain all of them"....but the likelihoods are much higher with regards to either Pac-12 or independent until later on)


Anyways, here's one article from the AJC:

Texas to ACC? Something tells me conference being used | Jeff Schultz

Texas to the ACC? I’m not buying it.

If you missed it, the latest rumor on College Sports Conference Armageddon has Texas holding conversations with the ACC about joining the conference if and when the Big 12 implodes. This would amount to a coup for the ACC, which has been perceived to be less than aggressive than other conferences during this insanity — which probably is a point in the ACC’s favor.

Texas is the domino that is causing most of this mess. When it got into bed with ESPN and started the Longhorn Network, the deal did not go over well with their Big 12 brethren. Having a major TV outlet tends to give a school significant advantages when it comes to matters of recruiting, promotion and almost everything else. That’s what spurred Texas A&M (likely headed for the SEC) to ask out. That’s what may prompt Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to leave.

With the possibility of the Big 12 crumbling, Texas is like the unescorted super model who just walked into the party. Every conference is staring at them.

The problem is the Longhorn Network. The Pacific 12, the most likely destination for Texas, says their conference TV deal would conflict with the Longhorn Network. And the Big Ten already has the Big Ten Network. And the SEC — yeah, they kind of have these big deals also.

The ACC has a major contract with ESPN, but apparently is listening to Texas’s pitch (and vice versa). But something tells me Texas isn’t serious about this. It’s all about trying to get leverage. The ACC pulls the school away from its recruiting and fan base. Should the Big 12 fold, I think the Longhorns will end up either joining the Pacific 12 or going independent, like Notre Dame (until something better comes along).

The Austin American Statesman quoted a Texas source as saying, “Texas’ first choice is to keep the Big 12 together.” But that’s not entirely true. Its first choice really is to keep its TV deal together. They just don’t want to look like the bad guy.

Texas would significantly help the ACC steal some attention from the behemoth that is the SEC. But my sense is that the conference is just being used.
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Texas officials have it made it public knowledge they are not interested in having their student athletes flying through two time zones to compete week in and week out.

Oklahoma officials have not made a statement of that sort as of yet, nor will they imo.
 
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A picture is worth 1000 words: Conference Realignment Edition....
 

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Texas first choice is anywhere they can go, keep and reap their windfall from the longhorn network. It is an economic decision. Question is, which BCS conference is going to let texas bend them over. SEC won't, obviously, PAC-12 won't, Big-10 wont... what's why ACC is getting mention now.

I think that ultimately they will go independent despite stating their intentions to be otherwise.
 
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Orangebloods.com - ACC may be gaining steam as potential home for Texas

Texas talk in this link.

Here are 5 reasons why the ACC could make more sense for Texas than the Pac-12:

1. The student-athlete

If it's really and truly about the student-athlete (and we know it's not when it comes to realignment, but let's just pretend for a moment), then it makes more sense for the Longhorns to travel east for athletic competitions than west.

Student-athletes would be gaining an hour by traveling back to Austin from the Eastern Time Zone as opposed to losing one or two hours by traveling across two time zones from the west back to Austin in the Pac-12.


2. Academics

According to the new college rankings published Tuesday in U.S. News and World Report, Texas (45) would be joining a conference with schools such as Duke (10), Virginia (25), Wake Forest (25), North Carolina (29), Boston College (31), Georgia Tech (36), Miami (38), Maryland (55), Clemson (68) and Virginia Tech (71).

The lowest rated schools in the ACC, according to U.S. News and World Report, are Florida State and North Carolina State, which are tied at 101st.

In other words, more than half the ACC is ranked ahead of Texas on the list. Good company.

The Pac-12 has good academics, too, thanks to Stanford (5), Cal (21), USC (23), UCLA (25) and Washington (42). But there's a big drop-off from Washington to Colorado (94), and half the Pac-12 is ranked below 100 - Oregon (101), Arizona (124), Utah (124), Arizona State (132) and Oregon State (138).

By the way, potential Pac-16 members Oklahoma (101), Oklahoma State (132) and Texas Tech (138) would not help raise that conference's profile on the list.


3. Football and basketball

Let's call it like we see it. When it comes to college football, everyone is jockeying for second place behind the Southeastern Conference.
No one is going to claim the ACC has good or even great depth as a football conference.

In fact, it has underperformed as a conference since the league last won a national title in 1999 (Florida State).

But there's tradition. Florida State dominated in the 1990s. Miami was a force through the 1980s, 1990s and into the early 2000s. Virginia Tech is a perennial power under Frank Beamer.

Boston College had Doug Flutie. Clemson had Danny Ford. North Carolina had Mack Brown. And Georgia Tech won that shared national title in 1990.
But while the ACC is in limbo, so, too, is the Pac-12.

Like the ACC (Miami and North Carolina), the Pac-12 now finds itself with two programs either reprimanded by the NCAA (USC) or under NCAA investigation (Oregon).

And outside of Oregon last season; USC when Pete Carroll was there; and Stanford when Jim Harbaugh was there, the Pac-12 hasn't exactly been lighting up the college football world.

But when it comes to college basketball, the ACC would rival the Big East in college basketball if the ACC were to bring in Texas or grow to 16 by possibly adding the likes of Kansas, Missouri and Baylor.


4. The non-revenue sports

The ACC has great baseball programs thanks to Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Miami and Virginia. While the Pac-12 schools have had a lot of success in Omaha in the past, the ACC was second as a conference in RPI (just behind the SEC) and ahead of the Pac-12 - UCLA, Arizona State, USC, Stanford.

If the Big 12 ceases to exist, the ACC probably is No. 1 in women's basketball.

In other words, the non-revenue sports are strong in the ACC and provide a solid home for Texas' "other" sports.


5. The Longhorn Network

This could easily be No. 1 on the list. It's that important for Texas to hold together LHN.

It will be a bit of a sales job and will require the help of ESPN, but in all likelihood Texas can keep the Longhorn Network and its revenue ($15 million per year for 20 years) by going to the ACC, something the Pac-12 would be unwilling to consider.

The ACC is in the first year of a new, 12-year deal with ESPN, which controls the Tier 1, 2 and 3 TV rights in the ACC. And with no Big 12 left to spend money on (in all likelihood), ESPN can probably help make the Longhorn Network palatable to the ACC by giving the ACC a break-the-bank television deal with Texas on board that will blow the ACC members away.

Consider it a reward to the ACC for accepting Texas' unique revenue stream. But there would be incentive for the ACC to take Texas. The Southeastern Conference and Big Ten stand to poach schools out of the ACC if it appears the college arms race is leading to 16-team super conferences.

The ACC could help fortify its walls by adding Texas and a school like Kansas.


FINAL ANALYSIS: While everyone is asking why Texas wouldn't simply head to the Pac-12 with Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech like they were about to do last summer until the 11th hour, a lot has changed that must be considered.

Texas now has the Longhorn Network, which UT's administration and regents are enamored with for a number of reasons, including a $5 million contribution to academics for the first five years of UT's 20-year deal with ESPN.

And the Pac-12 now has a series of regional networks that are not compatible with LHN. The Pac-12 also has the most restrictive "all rights in" agreement of any conference in the BCS. The Pac-12 even has the rights to its members' web sites.

Texas has been monetizing its own web site for years. So with LHN in pulling in $15 million in revenue on its own annually, for Texas to strip down LHN and share revenue with another school and the Pac-12, it would be like going from a free-market economy to socialism.

And no one at UT is looking to take a pay cut in a new conference home. If Texas is making between $30 million and $33 million per year right now in the Big 12, the Longhorns will be looking to make that same money elsewhere.

Texas is trying to convince Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to look east (ACC) - not west (Pac-12). Right now, OU is not thinking that way. Don't rule out Kansas as a possible ACC target.

It's time for Texas fans and faithful to start getting their heads around a possible move to the ACC. It's by no means a done deal. But it's looking more and more like Option No. 1 for the Longhorns if the Big 12 falls apart.

Stay tuned.
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General Jack said:
Texas first choice is anywhere they can go, keep and reap their windfall from the longhorn network. It is an economic decision. Question is, which BCS conference is going to let texas bend them over. SEC won't, obviously, PAC-12 won't, Big-10 wont... what's why ACC is getting mention now.

I think that ultimately they will go independent despite stating their intentions to be otherwise.
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The problem with independence is where they would park their other sports. Try scheduling a 30-game basketball schedule with no conference tie-in.

The only way it'd work is if C-USA or the Mountain West would house their non-revenue sports. Or perhaps the WAC since they agreed to do it with BYU.
 
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Oh yes, that would make sense to have Texas and Oklahoma and/or Kansas in the ACC.

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WesTnVol said:
Before it`s over Baylor may be the big winner. Nine schools all writing them checks so they can go play somewhere else.
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"Baylor" and "winning" have no effing business being in the same sentence. Those losers are going to be left out in the cold with their couch fires full ablaze.
 
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TXVOL07 said:
"Baylor" and "winning" have no effing business being in the same sentence. Those losers are going to be left out in the cold with their couch fires full ablaze.
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Just as "Texas A&M" and "SEC" have no business being in the same sentence. Next, please.
 
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Sith Vol said:
So what's the general consensus now? Texas and OU are headed to the PAC 12? Is OK State going to follow OU and who would be the 16th team? Baylor (sarcasm)?
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Okie St. will definitely be going where OU is going. That's pretty much one of the few hard facts in this whole mess.
 
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