Old Regime Thoughts

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#27
I’m sure for the most part he’s proud of the program’s success. Also sure a small part of him thinks he could’ve been successful as AD if given time without booster meddling.
 
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Gandalf said:
I will always appreciate CPF for what he did in coaching the Vols. I am sure he is happy that the Vols are finally having success.

That said, I don't want to hear him in the press or anywhere else except how he is having a great time playing golf and with his grandkids.

Maybe 2-3 years from now after an NC, SEC Champs and 3 playoffs, when the putrid stain of Pruitt and the last 15 years has been washed off, THEN Fulmer can poke his head around gladhanding and saying hi. Nothing more than that. This is White and Heupel's success and their program. No need to cloud the water.
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Absolutely amazing post. I fell it encapsulates really well how most of us feel. While appreciative that we won a title with him I do feel he was the benefactor of some really favorable circumstances (mainly bama and uga experiencing downturns) and having a couple of really great assistants spend a lot of years here. The game passed him by and he was allowed to coach out his final year and sail away.
But he did a lot of damage to his legacy by slithering in the back door during all the turmoil. Listening to him talk there was no way he’d ever make a really intelligent decision that would be in line with the current state of the game. He did the most fulmer thing imaginable in taking a career assistant that had no other options for a head coaching job. And he choose a throw back guy that wanted to pretend it was the 1950’s.
Just a lesson on exactly how not to bring your program back to relevancy. He needs to stay away for several years.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Whenever we can see what the NCAA is going to impose penalty-wise can see Fulmer's final legacy. For now he's just cashing the monthly checks for his buyout.

If nothing else, his complete incompetence as an athletics director has led us to a real AD and a real head football coach.
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Exactly how many coaches White inherited from CPF has he replaced? T&F and VB I think, others? I remember a rather large group being resigned all at once. We’re any replaced CPF hires? WBB is on him. Don’t overplay one monumental bad hire a week into his tenure when the field had been trashed. Wish he had gone Steele out of the three. Doubt it would have been a disaster to the scale Pruitt took us.
 
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I’m glad that Fulmer has been relegated to the bleachers to cheer on TBO with the rest of us fans . I appreciate his service and am glad that he is no longer in a position to make decisions regarding the UTAD .

However his contributions are without question in the same way that the Fulmer haters vitriol is without brain activity .
 
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I was a huge Phil fan in the 90's and traveled to Arizona to watch him win a national championship. Then he got way too conservative on the field and lost his touch. He played not to lose too much and that made him boring to watch. I still appreciate him and what he's done for the university but it was time for a change and I imagine he couldn't argue with the president's decision to make that change, knowing where the football program is now. I'm sure it hurts but know he's happy for the team.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
Until the NCAA is done with Pruitt and CO. he will have to keep as low a profile as possible. He was privy to initial findings, involved in the house cleaning and all three principals knew him hanging around could not help with additional scrutiny of him being attached if he hung on. Clean break required. The presser allowed him to jump on the sword for the NCAA to see and openly pursue him if ANYTHING linked him to the execution of the actions involved with the CAUSE case against those fired.

He owns THAT hire and everything associated with it, and the hiring and/or retention of every coach he passed on to White. The cost of critically damaging the bell cow is what it is, so is our last NC and the 152-52 record as a coach. I think his street is safe for a while unless there is a smoking gun. Betting that is not the case. I wonder if that will be clarified in the NCAA findings. Hoping the actions of all three of our folks at the top at that time is documented. Fuzzy will not be in our favor.
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With respect to you, I insist that I don't care. I don't want Fulmer anywhere near the UT programs again. His arrogant laziness was the direct cause of the start of our football program's decline. His ineptitude and sleaziness as AD just twisted the knife. He was good when he was good, but now, bye, and saty away.
 
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greenbacknative said:
I have wondered this year as our win total continues to rise, what our old AD Fulmer has to say about our success. I haven't heard anything in the press. I was just curious . Has he been to the ballgames practices, VFL functions etc...
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He’s a Haslam stooge. Haslam is the reason we have sucked for so long.

Phil has one thing and one thing only on his mind and that one thing is sandwiches.
 
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Let's give credit, where credit is due
No doubt that Fulmer bleeds Orange and is a VFL
I truly believe sometimes you have to break something to fix it.

With Fulmer we were able to Send Davenport Packing and it appear that the Haslem influence on the program has diminished.

Furthermore, the Pruitt experiment exposed a broader version of paying players not only within our program but others as well.

Fulmer's choice of Pruitt gets us to where we are today (White & Heupel). Also, it led to a complete reset & revamp of the program due to players leaving and new standards.

Fulmer was not AD material but I guess we can say he took a hit for the home team and it worked out.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
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Theeph!!
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I hope Fulmer never speaks about TN football again. I don’t want him associated with TN in anyway and I hope he keeps his fat trap shut.
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I do agree with you on this.

I don't wish ill will on him at all, just done with him. Never really cared for him in the first place, and blah blah blah I know he bleeds orange and whatever but he got paid handsomely for it too.
 
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stevenrich2003 said:
Awesome! Any idea what they are doing these days? I know both played in the league for a few years.
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I have a feeling we are going to see a lot of former Vols coming out of the woodwork. Odds are long on Jalen Hurd, Eric Gray, etc, but I wouldn’t be surprised. It’s a great feeling when you’re the “cool team”
 
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perico said:
Fulmer meets with Heupel weekly. It’s more of an open door policy on behalf of our current HC to CPF out of respect, so he’s still around and isn’t openly bitter about the teams success.
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It would take an agenda driven idiot to think CPF would be bitter about any team in Orange being successful. Bet he is bitter about how his forced rapid football coach hire betrayed UT. Bet he is unhappy that his second tenure ended the way it did, but he made the exit easy for his bosses to transition to a new face of the program and has been as close or far away as needed. Their gratitude is easy to see in the presser. We need him here on the field with milestone teams reunions and we don't need animosity with a guy that has our last NC and a street named after him. 152-52 as a coach, and go chart EVERY sport under him from the day he got here to the day he left as AD.

It would be pretty darn reasonable for him or any rational person to look at the two most pivotal moments in our FB programs history and wonder what if the AD's did not fire the current HC's without a better plan for their replacement. I had no problem with CPF having put his job in play, but our greatest period of misery was bookended by ending very public coaching searches by hiring two classless guys to take the reins with some other unqualified reaches in the middle. Kiffin and Pruitt, UGH...DOUBLE UGH. I bet White has a double secret list in his top drawer with backup lists for every HC position in the department and will not rely on the THIS IS TENNSSEE plan. We have paid quite the price for those moves, but CPF did not fire the HC he had to replace.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
It would take an agenda driven idiot to think CPF would be bitter about any team in Orange being successful. Bet he is bitter about how his forced rapid football coach hire betrayed UT. Bet he is unhappy that his second tenure ended the way it did, but he made the exit easy for his bosses to transition to a new face of the program and has been as close or far away as needed. Their gratitude is easy to see in the presser. We need him here on the field with milestone teams reunions and we don't need animosity with a guy that has our last NC and a street named after him. 152-52 as a coach, and go chart EVERY sport under him from the day he got here to the day he left as AD.

It would be pretty darn reasonable for him or any rational person to look at the two most pivotal moments in our FB programs history and wonder what if the AD's did not fire the current HC's without a better plan for their replacement. I had no problem with CPF having put his job in play, but our greatest period of misery was bookended by ending very public coaching searches by hiring two classless guys to take the reins with some other unqualified reaches in the middle. Kiffin and Pruitt, UGH...DOUBLE UGH. I bet White has a double secret list in his top drawer with backup lists for every HC position in the department and will not rely on the THIS IS TENNSSEE plan. We have paid quite the price for those moves, but CPF did not fire the HC he had to replace.
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Exactly. I think if there was anytime Fulmer had ill wishes it would have been shortly after his firing for Kiffin and Dooley hiring time period.

Because given how those 4 years turned out (23-27 record), you would think that Fulmer thought he could have slept walked to a better record.

However, his firing along with Bruce Pearl's kicked off the ripping of the bandaid on the Haslam, Cheek, Hamilton regime that evolved into a massive train wreck with Hart, Currie, Davenport, etc.....

I was honestly surprised ESPN had Fulmer on during the Florida week Gameday with Spurrier to talk about the game.
 
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greenbacknative said:
I have wondered this year as our win total continues to rise, what our old AD Fulmer has to say about our success. I haven't heard anything in the press. I was just curious . Has he been to the ballgames practices, VFL functions etc...
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Personally, I don't want to think about UT football prior to Heupel....unless you want to go back 20-25 years or so. Football after the Fulmer heyday isn't something I like to dwell upon. Live for today and today is UK.
 
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