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BradentonVol said:
Down goes BYU😂
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So gamblers that bet on the underdog can be very happy with this result.

While it was disappointing Tennessee got outplayed by Georgia in the second half since Coach Smart is a Chess King or is another Coach Saban as in terrific for second half adjustments , I’m a lot less frustrated with the disappointing result because Tennessee still has a chance of reaching the 12 team playoff even though now they’ll have to rely on Georgia losing a third game, and because Tennessee kept it close for an entire game which hasn’t been common for Georgia Tennessee games since 2017.

Have an enjoyable Sunday VN Members.
 
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After looking at the stats and information from the game last night and what all the talking heads said all week here are some of my thoughts.

Many were upset that the betting odds were set at 9.5 points.
  • Those odds got the Vols believers to bet.
  • In the end, the odds worked out for the gambling sites since the final was 14 points.
They said all week that UGA’s D.B.s couldn’t cover, specifically the deep ball. That turned out not to be true.
  • The Vols longest pass play was 17 yards, with two others at 13 & 14.
  • We moved the chains with short passes, but only amassed 167 total yards passing.
  • Thornton had a huge drop again that hit him right in both hands. Not sure if he was concentrating on trying to get both feet in bounds, or if he had T-Rex arms thinking he was going to get hit. Regardless he has to make those catches.
They said all week that UGA’s O-Line couldn’t protect Beck. Beck was sacked 5 times against Ole Miss and had several force fumbles.
  • The Vols had ZERO sacks and only 3 maybe 4 hurries. Those hurries turned into first down runs by Beck.
  • Beck had 347 yards through the air with ZERO interceptions. He had all night to throw the ball.
  • Initially they had a lot of quick passes behind or at the line of scrimmage to help the O-Line. A very good strategy.
They said all week that the UGA receivers could catch.
  • This one turned out to be true. Specifically, #11 had a lot of drops.
  • The T.E.’s, however, made every catch and piled up the yards as Kirby’s teams are known to do.
The first half was a hard-fought half, and it had the making of a fantastic finish. I appeared that UGA changed their game plan at the half and that proved to be trouble for the Vols. We didn’t adjust well to the new offensive and defensive strategies.

UGA had not allowed a 100-yard rusher all season. D. Samp. had 101 yards with 27 being the longest. The Vols won the rushing game 152 to 106. Beck was the second leading rusher with 32 yards. Frazier had 62.

They said that UGA gave up a lot of yards rushing specifically on the outside. The Vols never run outside. D. Samp. bounced it outside a couple of times for good yardage, but the runs are typically up the middle. I can only assume that CJH doesn’t have a strategy for outside running plays. We very seldom run screens, and seldom run sweeps to crossing W.R.s.

In the end the Vols have to win out to have a chance, but that is true for many teams. There will be more losses by top teams due to conference championship games. It feels like Tennessee may be last year’s Florida State. There is still some ball to be played and we have to win out to have a shot, plain and simple.

If we had not had the slip up at Arkansas we wouldn’t be having this conversation. We cannot have the same slip up with a feisty Vandy team that will be looking to win their yearly Super Bowl. We should be able to rest some of our banged-up players next week versus UTEP (2-8).

Most had us losing to UGA in the pre-season, plus one other. The other wasn’t Arkansas though. The good news is this one hurts because the Vols had a punchers chance to win.

I don’t know how the season will play out, but GO BIG ORANGE!
 
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Halph66 said:
After looking at the stats and information from the game last night and what all the talking heads said all week here are some of my thoughts.

Many were upset that the betting odds were set at 9.5 points.
  • Those odds got the Vols believers to bet.
  • In the end, the odds worked out for the gambling sites since the final was 14 points.
They said all week that UGA’s D.B.s couldn’t cover, specifically the deep ball. That turned out not to be true.
  • The Vols longest pass play was 17 yards, with two others at 13 & 14.
  • We moved the chains with short passes, but only amassed 167 total yards passing.
  • Thornton had a huge drop again that hit him right in both hands. Not sure if he was concentrating on trying to get both feet in bounds, or if he had T-Rex arms thinking he was going to get hit. Regardless he has to make those catches.
They said all week that UGA’s O-Line couldn’t protect Beck. Beck was sacked 5 times against Ole Miss and had several force fumbles.
  • The Vols had ZERO sacks and only 3 maybe 4 hurries. Those hurries turned into first down runs by Beck.
  • Beck had 347 yards through the air with ZERO interceptions. He had all night to throw the ball.
  • Initially they had a lot of quick passes behind or at the line of scrimmage to help the O-Line. A very good strategy.
They said all week that the UGA receivers could catch.
  • This one turned out to be true. Specifically, #11 had a lot of drops.
  • The T.E.’s, however, made every catch and piled up the yards as Kirby’s teams are known to do.
The first half was a hard-fought half, and it had the making of a fantastic finish. I appeared that UGA changed their game plan at the half and that proved to be trouble for the Vols. We didn’t adjust well to the new offensive and defensive strategies.

UGA had not allowed a 100-yard rusher all season. D. Samp. had 101 yards with 27 being the longest. The Vols won the rushing game 152 to 106. Beck was the second leading rusher with 32 yards. Frazier had 62.

They said that UGA gave up a lot of yards rushing specifically on the outside. The Vols never run outside. D. Samp. bounced it outside a couple of times for good yardage, but the runs are typically up the middle. I can only assume that CJH doesn’t have a strategy for outside running plays. We very seldom run screens, and seldom run sweeps to crossing W.R.s.

In the end the Vols have to win out to have a chance, but that is true for many teams. There will be more losses by top teams due to conference championship games. It feels like Tennessee may be last year’s Florida State. There is still some ball to be played and we have to win out to have a shot, plain and simple.

If we had not had the slip up at Arkansas we wouldn’t be having this conversation. We cannot have the same slip up with a feisty Vandy team that will be looking to win their yearly Super Bowl. We should be able to rest some of our banged-up players next week versus UTEP (2-8).

Most had us losing to UGA in the pre-season, plus one other. The other wasn’t Arkansas though. The good news is this one hurts because the Vols had a punchers chance to win.

I don’t know how the season will play out, but GO BIG ORANGE!
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The offense showed no creativity and whenever we need a big catch we just don’t have a reliable receiver. Nico scrambled once and had Thornton for a chunk play but inexplicably drops it. Squirrel doesn’t know how to catch with his hands and lets the ball travel into his body instead of snatching it like a good receiver is taught. He isn’t the only one, all small receivers tend to do this. Bru is just a step too slow now after the injuries he has sustained. I’m really not sure why Mike Matthews isn’t seeing the field. Hell, I would even turn Boo into Travis Hunter and let him play both ways. We have a couple of studs that really could be helping at that position but for whatever reason refuse to put the ball in their hands on offense.
 
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That is my only gripe with CJH, he is too loyal to the Upperclassmen. Mathews should be playing more and I understand he is a Freshman but look around the Country and see how many Freshman WR are balling out.

Brazzell to me is a flop, Thornton is injury prone, Squirrel isn't consistent enough with catching the ball. Plus Bru should've went pro, he hasn't helped his stock at all coming back.
 
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Our rooting interests the rest of the season:

Tennessee wins out plus:

Indiana blown out by Ohio State
Notre Dame loss to USC
Ole Miss loss to Florida
Georgia loss to Georgia Tech
Alabama loss to Auburn
Texas A&M loss to Texas

Yes, two of those are highly unlikely (GT and Auburn) but the other ones are not that far fetched and actually could happen. If any one of those things occur then we are right back in the saddle. Just can’t slip up at Vanderbilt with the season on the line.
 
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VolPack22 said:
The offense showed no creativity and whenever we need a big catch we just don’t have a reliable receiver. Nico scrambled once and had Thornton for a chunk play but inexplicably drops it. Squirrel doesn’t know how to catch with his hands and lets the ball travel into his body instead of snatching it like a good receiver is taught. He isn’t the only one, all small receivers tend to do this. Bru is just a step too slow now after the injuries he has sustained. I’m really not sure why Mike Matthews isn’t seeing the field. Hell, I would even turn Boo into Travis Hunter and let him play both ways. We have a couple of studs that really could be helping at that position but for whatever reason refuse to put the ball in their hands on offense.
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Wasn’t Matthews hurt at one time? Wonder if that’s it? I wouldn’t think they would be worried about a red shirt.
 
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Halph66 said:
After looking at the stats and information from the game last night and what all the talking heads said all week here are some of my thoughts.

Many were upset that the betting odds were set at 9.5 points.
  • Those odds got the Vols believers to bet.
  • In the end, the odds worked out for the gambling sites since the final was 14 points.
They said all week that UGA’s D.B.s couldn’t cover, specifically the deep ball. That turned out not to be true.
  • The Vols longest pass play was 17 yards, with two others at 13 & 14.
  • We moved the chains with short passes, but only amassed 167 total yards passing.
  • Thornton had a huge drop again that hit him right in both hands. Not sure if he was concentrating on trying to get both feet in bounds, or if he had T-Rex arms thinking he was going to get hit. Regardless he has to make those catches.
They said all week that UGA’s O-Line couldn’t protect Beck. Beck was sacked 5 times against Ole Miss and had several force fumbles.
  • The Vols had ZERO sacks and only 3 maybe 4 hurries. Those hurries turned into first down runs by Beck.
  • Beck had 347 yards through the air with ZERO interceptions. He had all night to throw the ball.
  • Initially they had a lot of quick passes behind or at the line of scrimmage to help the O-Line. A very good strategy.
They said all week that the UGA receivers could catch.
  • This one turned out to be true. Specifically, #11 had a lot of drops.
  • The T.E.’s, however, made every catch and piled up the yards as Kirby’s teams are known to do.
The first half was a hard-fought half, and it had the making of a fantastic finish. I appeared that UGA changed their game plan at the half and that proved to be trouble for the Vols. We didn’t adjust well to the new offensive and defensive strategies.

UGA had not allowed a 100-yard rusher all season. D. Samp. had 101 yards with 27 being the longest. The Vols won the rushing game 152 to 106. Beck was the second leading rusher with 32 yards. Frazier had 62.

They said that UGA gave up a lot of yards rushing specifically on the outside. The Vols never run outside. D. Samp. bounced it outside a couple of times for good yardage, but the runs are typically up the middle. I can only assume that CJH doesn’t have a strategy for outside running plays. We very seldom run screens, and seldom run sweeps to crossing W.R.s.

In the end the Vols have to win out to have a chance, but that is true for many teams. There will be more losses by top teams due to conference championship games. It feels like Tennessee may be last year’s Florida State. There is still some ball to be played and we have to win out to have a shot, plain and simple.

If we had not had the slip up at Arkansas we wouldn’t be having this conversation. We cannot have the same slip up with a feisty Vandy team that will be looking to win their yearly Super Bowl. We should be able to rest some of our banged-up players next week versus UTEP (2-8).

Most had us losing to UGA in the pre-season, plus one other. The other wasn’t Arkansas though. The good news is this one hurts because the Vols had a punchers chance to win.

I don’t know how the season will play out, but GO BIG ORANGE!
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You wrote:
  • The Vols had ZERO sacks and only 3 maybe 4 hurries. Those hurries turned into first down runs by Beck.
  • Beck had 347 yards through the air with ZERO interceptions. He had all night to throw the ball.

I believe the UGA O-lineman average weight, which was very uniform was 315 pounds and they were healthier than the previous weeks because injuries are healing or heeled. The weights were from a very brief display of pics of UGA O-line very early in the game. "Healthier" is from Dawgnation on Youtube.

If you watch any NFL, compare their O-line with UGAs and you'll see UGA is pretty much a professional O-line.
It's why I believe Beck had so much time last night, meaning; it wasn't failure on UT's part, but more a credit to what UGA had going for them last night.

According to Dawgnation that has former players on as guests: Kirby and Bobo go into every game with 3 offensive schemes. One used exclusively in the first half and the second and perhaps a third used in the second half. This gives the coaches the opportunity to switch strategies mid 2nd half if needed and the players are ready for either to be used.

The football forum is not happy with Heupel, but I think he's very good and look how fast he turned around the Vols. Most fans tend to be too impatient with coaches, but changing a program is a process, not an event. (I rarely look at the football forum because what they want is what they expect and they want it right now. UT is poised to be a great football program and I think it's one of the few to have figured out how to take full advantage of the Portal and NIL.

Aside: I believe Vitello has proven he too knows how to take full advantage of the Portal and NIL. UT fans might want to reflect on how good the coaching is and that very good players from both sports are attending UT because of those coaches.
 
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VolPack22 said:
Our rooting interests the rest of the season:

Tennessee wins out plus:

Indiana blown out by Ohio State
Notre Dame loss to USC
Ole Miss loss to Florida
Georgia loss to Georgia Tech
Alabama loss to Auburn
Texas A&M loss to Texas

Yes, two of those are highly unlikely (GT and Auburn) but the other ones are not that far fetched and actually could happen. If any one of those things occur then we are right back in the saddle. Just can’t slip up at Vanderbilt with the season on the line.
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If Indiana stays within 14 points of OSU their in CFP. Although if the get beat by 21 or more than it's a wait and see situation.

You will be able to judge how far they drop after seeing how far Tennessee drops Tuesday Night, if Tennessee drops just 5 spots after losing by 14 to Georgia on the road. Then Indiana will do the same .
 
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This is how I think the CFP might vote. Once again, it could go several different ways, specifically with the logjam of 2 loss SEC teams and all of them having an argument against one another. Also it will be interesting to see what they do with BYU and Boise State. You could make an argument for either of them to be ranked ahead of the other. It’s anyone’s guess.

1 Oregon (1 seed)
2 Ohio State (5 seed)
3 Texas (2 seed)
4 Penn State (6 seed)
5 Indiana (7 seed)
6 Notre Dame (8 seed)
7 Miami (3 seed)
8 Georgia (9 seed)
9 Alabama (10 seed)
10 Ole Miss (11 seed)
11 Tennessee (first team out)
12 BYU (4 seed)
13 Boise State (12 seed)
14 SMU (2nd team out)
15 Texas A&M (3rd team out)
16 Colorado (4th team out)
 
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VolPack22 said:
This is how I think the CFP might vote. Once again, it could go several different ways, specifically with the logjam of 2 loss SEC teams and all of them having an argument against one another. Also it will be interesting to see what they do with BYU and Boise State. You could make an argument for either of them to be ranked ahead of the other. It’s anyone’s guess.

1 Oregon (1 seed)
2 Ohio State (5 seed)
3 Texas (2 seed)
4 Penn State (6 seed)
5 Indiana (7 seed)
6 Notre Dame (8 seed)
7 Miami (3 seed)
8 Georgia (9 seed)
9 Alabama (10 seed)
10 Ole Miss (11 seed)
11 Tennessee (first team out)
12 BYU (4 seed)
13 Boise State (12 seed)
14 SMU (2nd team out)
15 Texas A&M (3rd team out)
16 Colorado (4th team out)
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Actually for ONCE we can agree on something. 🍺🍺
 
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Let me throws this out there.

If you don't believe for one second the Big Ten Commissioner doesn't make a phone call to OSU and say "beat Indiana but make it closer than individuals believe" then you're delusional.

Sankey does same stuff in SEC p, why wouldn't you think Big Ten does the same..
 
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knoxvol52 said:
Let me throws this out there.

If you don't believe for one second the Big Ten Commissioner doesn't make a phone call to OSU and say "beat Indiana but make it closer than individuals believe" then you're delusional.

Sankey does same stuff in SEC p, why wouldn't you think Big Ten does the same..
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They 100% are making those phone calls. Honestly they probably called both teams and said “make sure this is a 1 possession game with 5 minutes”.
 
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