Ole Miss @ Alabama (ESPN)

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It's not a matter of "just be aggressive". Sometimes it's appropriate to be aggressive and sometimes it's appropriate to be conservative. In 1998 UT played Florida St and we' were pretty damn conservative and it worked out well. You can bet that teams are going to try to smother Treadwell from now on so what worked last night might not work in the future. Hugh' s clock management was awesome and Butch could use that as a lesson.
 
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midnight orange said:
It's not a matter of "just be aggressive". Sometimes it's appropriate to be aggressive and sometimes it's appropriate to be conservative. In 1998 UT played Florida St and we' were pretty damn conservative and it worked out well. You can bet that teams are going to try to smother Treadwell from now on so what worked last night might not work in the future. Hugh' s clock management was awesome and Butch could use that as a lesson.
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Treadwell wasn't even the leading receiver last night. WR rotation is one of our biggest issues (beating a dead horse, I know). Play 4-5 and call it good.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Aggressiveness throughout the game did pay off. Freeze didn't try to eat clock and run a 185# back the rest of the night. He continued taking shots down field and dared Bama to stop them.
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You are answering a question that wasn't asked. The discussion was about going for 2 when Ole Miss scored to up 12 with lots of time left.
 
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TheColdVolTruth said:
The game played out differently. Think through this sequentially. I know you're capable. Ole Miss went for two and did not get it. Alabama responded later by also going for two to make it an 11 point game, but their two point attempt was unsuccessful. Had Ole Miss kicked the PAT, it would not have been possible for Alabama to pull within 11 with a successful two point conversion, so Alabama would have kicked the PAT rather than going for two and being unsuccessful on their own attempt. It would have still been a six point game either way. The scoreboard says that aggressiveness paid off. The scoreboard is right more often than you are. Nice try though.
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Lol, really? Hindsight is 20/20; if Bama had scored and won on their last drive, the universe would have been screaming about that extra point.
 
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peerless98 said:
Lol, really? Hindsight is 20/20; if Bama had scored and won on their last drive, the universe would have been screaming about that extra point.
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That is a great hypothetical situation you are basing your narrative on. Let me try one of your hypotheticals. If your aunt had balls, you would call her uncle. No, that isn't nearly as fun as sticking to what actually happened on the field. Ole Miss applied pressure most of the game, and they were conservative when needed. It was fun to watch them get rewarded for pressing the issue.
 
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peerless98 said:
You are answering a question that wasn't asked. The discussion was about going for 2 when Ole Miss scored to up 12 with lots of time left.
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We've discussed his aggressiveness throughout the game and not letting up at 17-3. You're the one who chose to pick a particular play where it may have cost him. I don't recall anyone being specific. When you're up 12 you always go for 2 in the situation they were in. That's not aggressive that's common situational football.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
We've discussed his aggressiveness throughout the game and not letting up at 17-3. You're the one who chose to pick a particular play where it may have cost him. I don't recall anyone being specific. When you're up 12 you always go for 2 in the situation they were in. That's not aggressive that's common situational football.
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You make some great points; however, I asked how folks felt about the call to go for 2 at the point when Alabama had a chance to win at the end.
 
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TheColdVolTruth said:
That is a great hypothetical situation you are basing your narrative on. Let me try one of your hypotheticals. If your aunt had balls, you would call her uncle. No, that isn't nearly as fun as sticking to what actually happened on the field. Ole Miss applied pressure most of the game, and they were conservative when needed. It was fun to watch them get rewarded for pressing the issue.
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Lol, aren't you clever and original! Hypotheticals? Alabama had the ball down 6 at the end. That's fact.
 
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peerless98 said:
Lol, aren't you clever and original! Hypotheticals? Alabama had the ball down 6 at the end. That's fact.
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Again, you are wrong. Ole Miss was in victory formation up 6 at the end. Are you sure we watched the same game? You might want to check the replay. Just because you say it, doesn't make it true.
 
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Gonna be a good monday morning at work here is lovely Alabama. Auburn lost, Bama lost, we won.

Saw a comment on an AL.COM article about the game and it's worth sharing. Came from a guy named "Banjopete". So true.. says:

Just keep in mind how these things are framed. If Alabama wins a game in which the other team turns it over 5 times it's "Alabama forced five turnovers". If it's the other round it's "Alabama gave up five turnovers".
 
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TheColdVolTruth said:
Again, you are wrong. Ole Miss was in victory formation up 6 at the end. Are you sure we watched the same game? You might want to check the replay. Just because you say it, doesn't make it true.
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Just wow!! How slow can you be? Did you even watch the game? Do you realize that Alabama had a chance to score and win just prior to turning the ball over before Ole Miss was in the victory formation? Maybe the "end" of the game to you means only the last play.
 
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Power blue helmets = ugggh.

That had to have been one of the luckiest plays ever. Probably should have been a pick six--the qb balloons it up in the air as he's getting hit; deflection to an Ole Miss player for a TD. I'll take it, though--so happy to see the pink elephants lose.
 
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peerless98 said:
Just wow!! How slow can you be? Did you even watch the game? Do you realize that Alabama had a chance to score and win just prior to turning the ball over before Ole Miss was in the victory formation? Maybe the "end" of the game to you means only the last play.
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I am slow enough to realize that you are ripping the strategy of a coach that just went into Tuscaloosa and beat Alabama. Like it or not, Freeze has a multi-game winning streak against Saban. Those are facts. Keep trying to spin how catastrophically the result coulda, woulda, shoulda been. Ole Miss pressed the gas almost all game, and they won. Did they convert for two? No. Did they set a tone on their sideline that they were there to do everything possible to win? Yes. Did they win? Yes. Enjoy.
 
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TheColdVolTruth said:
I am slow enough to realize that you are ripping the strategy of a coach that just went into Tuscaloosa and beat Alabama. Like it or not, Freeze has a multi-game winning streak against Saban. Those are facts. Keep trying to spin how catastrophically the result coulda, woulda, shoulda been. Ole Miss pressed the gas almost all game, and they won. Did they convert for two? No. Did they set a tone on their sideline that they were there to do everything possible to win? Yes. Did they win? Yes. Enjoy.
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This post is concrete proof why jumping into a conversation midstream is ill-advised. I'm happy as hell that Ole Miss won, and I didn't "rip" anyone's strategy. The discussion, a simple discussion, started over a single decision to go for 2. The call had nothing to do with setting tone; it was about trying to get to a 2 TD lead. Football history proves that chasing points or trying to get to a certain lead too early often comes back to bite a team. Like it or not, had Bama scored on their last drive, Ole Miss would have lost. You are attempting to make an argument where there is not one, but keep on being you. Go Vols!
 
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peerless98 said:
This post is concrete proof why jumping into a conversation midstream is ill-advised. I'm happy as hell that Ole Miss won, and I didn't "rip" anyone's strategy. The discussion, a simple discussion, started over a single decision to go for 2. The call had nothing to do with setting tone; it was about trying to get to a 2 TD lead. Football history proves that chasing points or trying to get to a certain lead too early often comes back to bite a team. Like it or not, had Bama scored on their last drive, Ole Miss would have lost. You are attempting to make an argument where there is not one, but keep on being you. Go Vols!
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Maybe I gave you too much credit earlier. You aren't capable of following along. I'll try one more time, and I'm out. The score was 30-24. Ole Miss scored to make it 36-24. They went for two and failed. They then scored again and kicked the PAT to make it 43-24. Alabama scored to make it 43-30. They then went for two as well to try to get within 11. They failed, and the score remained 43-30. Had Ole Miss kicked the PAT earlier, Alabama would have had no opportunity to pull within 11, so they would have kicked as well. The score at that point would have been 44-31. Alabama scored their final touchdown and kicked to make it 43-37. Assuming both teams would have made the PATs in question, the final score would have been 44-38. Alabama would have still had a chance to win. The two point decision to get a 14 point lead at that point in the game was a given. That's just me being me though. Here's hoping we can get a chance to argue a winning strategy after the game Saturday. GBO
 
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TheColdVolTruth said:
You are a natural for typing blah blah blah.
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If you think going for 2 with nearly 12 minutes to play in a high scoring game is a good idea, so be it. IMO, it's not a wise decision, and the country was holding it's breath on Bama's last drive because of that call. No one needs your play by play to explain what happened in a game that the whole country was watching. To keep posting the same thing over and over is equivalent to "blah blah blah." This is my last comment on the subject; I'm done. Go Vols!
 
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peerless98 said:
If you think going for 2 with nearly 12 minutes to play in a high scoring game is a good idea, so be it. IMO, it's not a wise decision, and the country was holding it's breath on Bama's last drive because of that call. No one needs your play by play to explain what happened in a game that the whole country was watching. To keep posting the same thing over and over is equivalent to "blah blah blah." This is my last comment on the subject; I'm done. Go Vols!
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The point is Bama has a chance to win whether he kicks it or goes for 2. As his scenario clearly lays out.
 
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peerless98 said:
If you think going for 2 with nearly 12 minutes to play in a high scoring game is a good idea, so be it. IMO, it's not a wise decision, and the country was holding it's breath on Bama's last drive because of that call. No one needs your play by play to explain what happened in a game that the whole country was watching. To keep posting the same thing over and over is equivalent to "blah blah blah." This is my last comment on the subject; I'm done. Go Vols!
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Two Point Conversion Chart

Nobody has held their breath due to a call like that since the chart was developed in the 70's. You know, analytics.
 
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