One thing is for certain

#27
#27
orangepeopleeater said:
Well apparently that is the problem. The "clowns" are the ones that want to be here ... not Graham.
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:) Unless...we could tie JG to the bench or something like in "The Weekend at Burneys" and since he the best thing we had, we can name him the head coach in waiting.
 
#28
#28
govols105 said:
I hate to say it but i don't see our running game being as good as it could have been with graham. and i also don't see how anyone can completely deny this thought. the man doubled our running output in one season. we can be ok but it wont have that Tennessee running back feel to it. graham had playing experience at the position which is something i don't think the new coach will have.
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We haven't had that "Tennessee RB feel" for years, even with JG. Yeah, he made us better than we were, but we haven't had the elite backs that we've had in the past that give us "that feel." IMO, it's the players that do give it "that feel," not the coach. Before JG, we had Chaney coaching RBs. I mean, come on.

Bottom line is we need better RBs. Lane and Neal are good, but are not game changers. We need at least one of those on the team. If we have RBs like Lane and Neal consistently, then I think it won't matter who we bring in to coach, as long as he's above Chaney's ability and on-par with JG's.
 
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tnvols72 said:
So Pittman had nothing to do with our running game being better , It was all Graham ? I dont know how UT can go forward without Graham.
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:dance:No way Hoser. Jay was the second coming...or going. Anyway:whistling:...I guess we should all just give up now.:mf_surrender:
GEEZ.
GO VOLS!
 
#32
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govols105 said:
I hate to say it but i don't see our running game being as good as it could have been with graham. and i also don't see how anyone can completely deny this thought. the man doubled our running output in one season. we can be ok but it wont have that Tennessee running back feel to it. graham had playing experience at the position which is something i don't think the new coach will have.
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The OL (NOT coached by Jay Graham) consistently opened huge holes and the RBs (Coached by Jay Graham) consistently turned those 8-10 yard gains into 4-6 yard gains.
 
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FBtime said:
The OL (NOT coached by Jay Graham) consistently opened huge holes and the RBs (Coached by Jay Graham) consistently turned those 8-10 yard gains into 4-6 yard gains.
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Um, when did we have 8-10 yard runs before JG came? Our running backs were worse before he came, so, those numbers should be reversed...
 
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Not to take anything away from CJG but that UT O-line was easily top 3 in the country. I'd say Bama is the only team that had a better O-line, and not really that much better than UT.
 
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supersmo18 said:
Um, when did we have 8-10 yard runs before JG came? Our running backs were worse before he came, so, those numbers should be reversed...
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You misunderstood my meaning. Our OL opened holes that should have been good for 8-10 yards but our pedestrian RBs failed to maximize the gains. Jay Graham did not make our RBs any better.
 
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govols105 said:
I hate to say it but i don't see our running game being as good as it could have been with graham. and i also don't see how anyone can completely deny this thought. the man doubled our running output in one season. we can be ok but it wont have that Tennessee running back feel to it. graham had playing experience at the position which is something i don't think the new coach will have.
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Disagree with your premise. He didn't coach the rbs in a vacuum. We had a great offensive line and damn good passing game. The OL made incredible strides opening up holes and running lanes from the year before for some pretty average running backs. I bet you'd see us having a better running game if JG had gotten Green or Ford or some other top running back to sign with us this year, eh?
 
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#38
Last years running game. 90% O-line. 10% coaching.

It is a whole lot easier to run behind a Top 3 O-line. I personally don't see a whole lot of change in that this year, regardless of who the RB coach is. If anything it will still improve over last year because the line should be even more experienced.

Do you need a RB coach? Yes, by all means. We saw how well it worked without one. The O-line is a bigger factor in my opinion though.
 
#39
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orangepeopleeater said:
Well apparently that is the problem. The "clowns" are the ones that want to be here ... not Graham.
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Why is it so hard for everyone to think that maybe Jay Graham was not enamored with CBJ's offensive scheme?

Did everyone forget that Jay played in a prototypical I-Formation at UT and in the pros which is what the Noles will be running.
 
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patrick said:
Why is it so hard for everyone to think that maybe Jay Graham was not enamored with CBJ's offensive scheme?

Did everyone forget that Jay played in a prototypical I-Formation at UT and in the pros which is what the Noles will be running.
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and that's what they ran at SC?
 
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govols105 said:
I hate to say it but i don't see our running game being as good as it could have been with graham. and i also don't see how anyone can completely deny this thought. the man doubled our running output in one season. we can be ok but it wont have that Tennessee running back feel to it. graham had playing experience at the position which is something i don't think the new coach will have.
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Trooper Taylor was once our running backs coach. As the position coach, both Riggs & Houston got over 1,000 yard rushing and we appeared in the S.E.C. Championship game.

Then Pat Washington was asked to leave, so Trooper took over the receiving corps. Under his coaching, Meacham had an explosive Red Shirt junior season and got over 1,000 receiving and was a 1st round selection in the draft.

My point, is that Graham is NOT the only position coach who can coach his players UP and also recruit.

CBJ just needs to find a good replacement for him and all will be fine. He is replaceable.....
 
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Orange Maniac said:
Why? Do you have the personal experience of being coached by these guys including CJG. Just because he was a good back and played here doesn't automatically make him a better coach. If you don't have first hand knowledge then you're just beating your gums for no reason. CJG doesn't want to be here. I highly doubt he's the only coach in the country that can coach runnung backs. People are making way too much over this. What will people say if our backs average a yard per carry more this next year? That CJG sucked as a coach? Let's just wait and see what happens before we commit suicide.
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You hit the nail right on the head ! saban has lost six assistants over the past two years, you don't see it in the headlines or hear bubba nation crying about it. :good!: :yes:
 
#44
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orangegrass said:
The worse thing about UTK sports is the fans. Whine, whine, pout, sniff
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You are so right.Some of our fans whine and pout and it gets old fast.And they think they can predict the future of our new coaching staff.If you are not on the BUTCH SLAP Train then "GET OFF"!
 
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#45
oldsmokey67 said:
You are so right.Some of our fans whine and pout and it gets old fast.And they think they can predict the future of our new coaching staff.If you are not on the BUTCH SLAP Train then "GET OFF"!
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^^^^Says the guy whining about the fans^^^^






I agree by the way. Just couldn't resist throwing a jab in. :)
 
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RB is one of the positions where you dont really need a good positional coach, but a good recruiter instead. With rbs, you either got it or you dont. What we need is a dynamic recruiter that can get us some 5 star rbs (ahem...Jalen Hurd) and anyone else he can get, and then just motivate them to play up to their potential. You really think Eddie Lacy, TJ Yeldon, Trent Richardson, Mark Ingram, Todd Gurley, Keith Marshall really needed to be coached up a lot???...i can go on and on. Also this isnt just me pulling this out my ass, i actually heard Gerald Riggs Jr say the same thing on TSR and Swain agreed. Also, i know JG was a great recruiter and he got Lattimore to SC, but in all honesty he didnt get his RB this year, i like Jabo, but noone can honestly say JG wanted him as our only back in this draft
 
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govols105 said:
I hate to say it but i don't see our running game being as good as it could have been with graham. and i also don't see how anyone can completely deny this thought. the man doubled our running output in one season. we can be ok but it wont have that Tennessee running back feel to it. graham had playing experience at the position which is something i don't think the new coach will have.
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Wait, crap...did Tiny, James, Stone, Fulton, and Jackson leave for FSU as well?
 
#49
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patrick said:
Why is it so hard for everyone to think that maybe Jay Graham was not enamored with CBJ's offensive scheme?

Did everyone forget that Jay played in a prototypical I-Formation at UT and in the pros which is what the Noles will be running.
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The I formation? This isn't the 90's. Grow up. If he wanted to coach the I formation he would need a time machine.
 
#50
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Orange Maniac said:
Why? Do you have the personal experience of being coached by these guys including CJG. Just because he was a good back and played here doesn't automatically make him a better coach. If you don't have first hand knowledge then you're just beating your gums for no reason. CJG doesn't want to be here. I highly doubt he's the only coach in the country that can coach runnung backs. People are making way too much over this. What will people say if our backs average a yard per carry more this next year? That CJG sucked as a coach? Let's just wait and see what happens before we commit suicide.
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so are you smacking your gums because you have first hand knowledge? Or can we have opinions? oh thats right if they don't match every other opinion they are crap! With Jay we had a lot of southern ties
 
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