Online, liberals far less tolerant than normal people

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volinbham said:
For me it's not about political correctness; it's about demonization and polarization. In short, it becomes about people not issues.

Gotcha. I think it was some other posters that were lamenting the PC angle, whatever that is.


I'd like to discuss policies rather than people. I'd like to be able to question a policy forcing Georgetown to provide contraceptives without being labeled a woman-hater and likewise someone like Fluke should be able to discuss why she agrees with the policy without being called slut.

I'd like to see a liberal critique policy positions of Gingrich rather than simply referring to him as a White Supremacist (one of my Facebook friends). I'd like to see a conservative critique policy positions of Obama without calling him secret Muslim.

I agree with you here, at least to an extent. But, it's sometimes hard to talk about people's political stances without talking about things that these people have done, especially when those things seem to be in stark contrast to their supposed positions. How you exclude the folks that believe in "secret Moslems" or "fake birth certificates" or "her husband is gay" or "he's a card carrying KKK member" is a puzzler.

Above all, I'm tired of being called a racist because I question a given entitlement policy.

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I haven't read every post on this forum, but I've seen "racist" thrown around a lot. Sometimes the problem is that people have differing definitions of racism. Sometimes people are just asshats.
 
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volinbham said:
For me it's not about political correctness; it's about demonization and polarization. In short, it becomes about people not issues.

I'd like to discuss policies rather than people. I'd like to be able to question a policy forcing Georgetown to provide contraceptives without being labeled a woman-hater and likewise someone like Fluke should be able to discuss why she agrees with the policy without being called slut.

I'd like to see a liberal critique policy positions of Gingrich rather than simply referring to him as a White Supremacist (one of my Facebook friends). I'd like to see a conservative critique policy positions of Obama without calling him secret Muslim.

Above all, I'm tired of being called a racist because I question a given entitlement policy.

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Probably racist.

Danl said:
I haven't read every post on this forum, but I've seen "racist" thrown around a lot. Sometimes the problem is that people have differing definitions of racism. Sometimes people are just asshats.
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Definitely racist.


By the way, I totally agree with both of you.

Crap. That makes me racist.
 
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Moral of the story. Don't start political crapstorms among your facebook contacts all the time and there won't be an issue.
 
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lawgator1 said:
FB is a place to search for old girlfriends and see if they are still hot. That is its only valid use.
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I disagree with most things you post but you have a valid point. I don't understand why people insist using FB as political tool towards their "friends".
 
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PKT_VOL said:
I disagree with most things you post but you have a valid point. I don't understand why people insist using FB as political tool towards their "friends".
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because it's easier then doing it aloud...where you might get called out.
 
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I'm friends (or at least I was) with a girl that worked with planned parenthood. Needless to say she's been blowing it up lately
 
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KiffinKiller said:
because it's easier then doing it aloud...where you might get called out.
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I've called several people out in their political statuses. They tend to delete their ignorant comments fairly quickly before the whole world can see how uninformed they really are. Slightly amusing actually. Just annoying to see the same s*** pop up on your news feed day after day. It's always the same people too.

I wonder if they ever realize that they are "that guy".
 
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Regarding comment that liberals do things out of emotion more than logic, I think it depends on the issue. For example, on spending money on the poor, or affirmative action, I would agree with you. Whereas, on abortion rights or First Amendment issues I think the roles are reversed.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Regarding comment that liberals do things out of emotion more than logic, I think it depends on the issue. For example, on spending money on the poor, or affirmative action, I would agree with you. Whereas, on abortion rights or First Amendment issues I think the roles are reversed.
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Yeah, because those feminists are completely rational when it comes to abortion.

I also don't get your point about the first amendment. It seems like both sides make mountains out of molehills.
 
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nbakerld said:
Yeah, because those feminists are completely rational when it comes to abortion.

I also don't get your point about the first amendment. It seems like both sides make mountains out of molehills.
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And there are conservatives who shriek about affirmative action. Both sides have some element of that.

As to the First Amendment issues, I was reffering to the fact that conservatives often seem to tie their valuation of the right to free speech much more to their personal like or dislike of the message, rather than the more intrinsic value of free speech regardless of content.
 
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lawgator1 said:
And there are conservatives who shriek about affirmative action. Both sides have some element of that.

As to the First Amendment issues, I was reffering to the fact that conservatives often seem to tie their valuation of the right to free speech much more to their personal like or dislike of the message, rather than the more intrinsic value of free speech regardless of content.
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This is exactly opposite of what I've observed. For instance Liberals attack talk radio and Fox precisely because it's tied to how much they hate what's being said and could not care less about anyone's right to say it.*

*I'm not talking about viable critique of what's being said BTW. I'm talking about absolute hatred of the success conservatives have in those areas.
 
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lawgator1 said:
And there are conservatives who shriek about affirmative action. Both sides have some element of that.

As to the First Amendment issues, I was reffering to the fact that conservatives often seem to tie their valuation of the right to free speech much more to their personal like or dislike of the message, rather than the more intrinsic value of free speech regardless of content.
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ah so it was conservatives pushing the fairness doctrine?
 
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hndog609 said:
This is exactly opposite of what I've observed. For instance Liberals attack talk radio and Fox precisely because it's tied to how much they hate what's being said and could not care less about anyone's right to say it.*

*I'm not talking about viable critique of what's being said BTW. I'm talking about absolute hatred of the success conservatives have in those areas.
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You need to learn what the First Amendment governs before we can discuss this meaningfully.


utvolpj said:
ah so it was conservatives pushing the fairness doctrine?
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As I say, each side has its share of the impractical. That would be a good example.
 
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lawgator1 said:
And there are conservatives who shriek about affirmative action. Both sides have some element of that.

As to the First Amendment issues, I was reffering to the fact that conservatives often seem to tie their valuation of the right to free speech much more to their personal like or dislike of the message, rather than the more intrinsic value of free speech regardless of content.
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Elena Kagan claims the constitution doesn't protect "harmful" speech, whatever that means.

My experience is universities with more liberal faculties and student bodies tend to have less free speech.

I would argue that they both find less value in free speech when they don't like what's being said.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You need to learn what the First Amendment governs before we can discuss this meaningfully.
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I'll allow that I may have misinterpreted what you meant in your post but considering it was in direct repsonse to your observation:

fact that conservatives often seem to tie their valuation of the right to free speech much more to their personal like or dislike of the message
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exactly what did my post not address in kind?
 
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hndog609 said:
I'll allow that I may have misinterpreted what you meant in your post but considering it was in direct repsonse to your observation:



exactly what did my post not address in kind?
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The First Amendment bars government restriction on free speech. Popular uproar, advertisers yanking $, have no bearing on the subject.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The First Amendment bars government restriction on free speech. Popular uproar, advertisers yanking $, have no bearing on the subject.
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Fair enough. Mind throwing us some examples then of exactly what you did mean when you made that observation? In particular I'd like to hear that contrasted with the overwhelmingly liberal usages of "racist" and "hate speech".

As to the First Amendment issues, I was reffering to the fact that conservatives often seem to tie their valuation of the right to free speech much more to their personal like or dislike of the message, rather than the more intrinsic value of free speech regardless of content.
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hndog609 said:
Fair enough. Mind throwing us some examples then of exactly what you did mean when you made that observation? In particular I'd like to hear that contrasted with the overwhelmingly liberal usages of "racist" and "hate speech".
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I'm with you on this one - waiting for the examples that are true First Amendment issues.
 
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