Operation Underground Railroad Is a Circus

[n_huffhines]

Finally

 

[VOLLeeann]

Questionable use of psychics to find kids? You jest. I know dozens of them. Most are college educated and have long histories of success.

 

[n_huffhines]

Questionable use of psychics to find kids? You jest. I know dozens of them. Most are college educated and have long histories of success.

Do they talk to the dead Book of Mormon prophet Nephi?

Psychics are ********, but especially this one.

I'd love to see documentation and specifics on any "long history" of success for "dozens."

 

[VOLLeeann]

Do they talk to the dead Book of Mormon prophet Nephi?

Psychics are ********, but especially this one.

I'd love to see documentation and specifics on any "long history" of success for "dozens."

I'm not interested in taking you on an educational journey. The internet is replete with solid, unimpeachable data on the efficacy of psychicism and psi including mental and physical mediumship. Do your homework and you won't come off as foolish as you sound.

 

[n_huffhines]

I'm not interested in taking you on an educational journey. The internet is replete with solid, unimpeachable data on the efficacy of psychicism and psi including mental and physical mediumship. Do your homework and you won't come off as foolish as you sound.

But how do I identify the dozens you specifically know?

My friend had a birthday party where he hired a psychic who did readings for anybody who wanted them. She had so many people convinced. She was diagnosing people with current health issues (like a guy had knee pain, for example). They were blown away.

Welp, my wife had cancer in her. It had been growing for literally a year. Psychic didn't mention it (she told her about a husband from a past life, though, the most unverifiable **** you can possibly imagine). You can look at somebody and tell if they're favoring a leg, but not even Taco could pick up on the biggest health threat of the day.

 

[n_huffhines]

Everybody should do themselves a favor and watch An Honest Liar (documentary about the Amazing Randi).

Once Houdini found out about mediums, he spent the rest of his life trying to find if anybody could truly do it. He was obsessed with speaking with his dead Mother. All he found was a bunch of charlatans with parlor tricks. In fact, some think the punch that inadvertently killed Houdini was supposed to be a warning from disgruntled mediums whose livelihoods were being threatened.

He gave his wife a password that he would say to her through a medium after he died. As far as we know, no medium ever came up with the password.

Then the Amazing Randi comes along and he spends his life disproving all the most famous psychics and mediums of that era.

Good stuff.

Edit: looks like you can stream it for free (for now) https://www.vudu.com/content/browse/details/An-Honest-Liar/1467483

 

[n_huffhines]

ChatGPT:

Psychic detectives claim to use paranormal abilities, such as extrasensory perception (ESP), clairvoyance, or telepathy, to help solve crimes, often collaborating with law enforcement or private investigators. The concept of psychic detectives is highly controversial, and scientific data does not support the existence of their abilities. Here’s a summary of the data and findings on psychic detectives:

1. Scientific Studies and Skepticism​

• No Empirical Support: Numerous scientific studies have investigated psychic claims, but none have demonstrated that psychic detectives perform better than chance in solving crimes.
• Cold Reading and Subjectivity: Psychics often use techniques like cold reading, where they make general statements or guesses that people interpret as accurate. The tendency for people to remember "hits" (correct guesses) and forget "misses" adds to the perception of accuracy.

2. Law Enforcement’s View​

• Limited Official Involvement: While some police departments have worked with psychic detectives in high-profile cases, law enforcement agencies generally do not endorse their use. In many cases where psychics claim to have solved crimes, investigations show that they had no impact.
• FBI’s Position: The FBI, in particular, has stated that it does not endorse the use of psychics. FBI profiler John E. Douglas, who helped pioneer criminal profiling, has repeatedly criticized the lack of evidence supporting psychic detection.

3. Famous Cases and Anecdotal Evidence​

• Notable Failures: In high-profile cases, such as the Elizabeth Smart kidnapping and the murder of JonBenét Ramsey, psychic detectives made inaccurate predictions and often misled investigations.
• Occasional "Successes": Some psychics claim credit for successful leads in cases, but these are often explained by coincidence or publicly available information that psychics use to appear knowledgeable.

4. Media Influence​

• Television and Popularity: Psychic detectives are a popular subject in TV shows and media, often portrayed in a positive light. Shows like Psychic Detectives and Medium glamorize their abilities, influencing public perception despite the lack of scientific validation.

 

[VOLLeeann]

But how do I identify the dozens you specifically know?

My friend had a birthday party where he hired a psychic who did readings for anybody who wanted them. She had so many people convinced. She was diagnosing people with current health issues (like a guy had knee pain, for example). They were blown away.

Welp, my wife had cancer in her. It had been growing for literally a year. Psychic didn't mention it (she told her about a husband from a past life, though, the most unverifiable **** you can possibly imagine). You can look at somebody and tell if they're favoring a leg, but not even Taco could pick up on the biggest health threat of the day.

Sorry about your wife. There are frauds in any occupation, psychics included. As I said, if you want to know, then there is more than enough information available.

But here is one way to flesh out a psychic. Ask him/her to provide you with information that only you could know (boyhood nickname or your dog's name, etc.). Or, better yet, info that even you don't know. E.g. a mark in a book you have never read or opened. Point is, I worked with dozens of psychics in many different circumstances and the ones that re accurate, stick. Ther rest fade away.

Here's one I am close to and she is a Princeton grad and a former skeptic. Nancy du Tertre

 

[n_huffhines]

Sorry about your wife. There are frauds in any occupation, psychics included. As I said, if you want to know, then there is more than enough information available.

But here is one way to flesh out a psychic. Ask him/her to provide you with information that only you could know (boyhood nickname or your dog's name, etc.). Or, better yet, info that even you don't know. E.g. a mark in a book you have never read or opened. Point is, I worked with dozens of psychics in many different circumstances and the ones that re accurate, stick. Ther rest fade away.

Here's one I am close to and she is a Princeton grad and a former skeptic. Nancy du Tertre

How do I "do my homework" on this Nancy lady? I can't find anything to review, except for things she says about herself.

I need to see that she's solving cases at a higher rate than chance. IDC what she says about herself or her ideas.

"Skeptical psychic" is clever marketing

 

[VOLLeeann]

How do I "do my homework" on this Nancy lady? I can't find anything to review, except for things she says about herself.

I need to see that she's solving cases at a higher rate than chance. IDC what she says about herself or her ideas.

"Skeptical psychic" is clever marketing

Nancy Du Tertre

For those who think it's easier to annoy you than to Google 'Nancy du tertre' themselves.

letmegooglethat.com

Btw, there are several psychics touring that you can go and learn, many on TV,

Tyler Henry
Jon Edwards
Cindy Kaza

Try looking into local bookstores- not like Barnes and Noble, but the new age metaphysical and spiritual types. Our local store actually works with reputable psychics, sometimes they even come in and do discounted readings for customers that come in the store while they’re there.

 

[n_huffhines]

Nancy Du Tertre

For those who think it's easier to annoy you than to Google 'Nancy du tertre' themselves.

letmegooglethat.com

Btw, there are several psychics touring that you can go and learn, many on TV,

Tyler Henry
Jon Edwards
Cindy Kaza

Try looking into local bookstores- not like Barnes and Noble, but the new age metaphysical and spiritual types. Our local store actually works with reputable psychics, sometimes they even come in and do discounted readings for customers that come in the store while they’re there.

Like I said, those Google results are not helpful at all.

I am not interested in exploring their ideas. You might as well be telling me to investigate a new religion. I'm interested in objective data.

I say they are frauds. You say read up on what the industry says about itself. That's not how skeptics operate.

 

[VOLLeeann]

How do I "do my homework" on this Nancy lady?

I understand where you are coming from. Been there, dumped that. Being skeptical is a positive thing. Doubt, research, learn, form your opinions from effort. If you still are unimpressed, no problem. That's the path you chose and it's a perfect one.

 

[InVOLuntary]

But how do I identify the dozens you specifically know?

My friend had a birthday party where he hired a psychic who did readings for anybody who wanted them. She had so many people convinced. She was diagnosing people with current health issues (like a guy had knee pain, for example). They were blown away.

Welp, my wife had cancer in her. It had been growing for literally a year. Psychic didn't mention it (she told her about a husband from a past life, though, the most unverifiable **** you can possibly imagine). You can look at somebody and tell if they're favoring a leg, but not even Taco could pick up on the biggest health threat of the day.

Man, hadn't heard about your wife. I hope they caught it early and she's doing well.

 

[n_huffhines]

Man, hadn't heard about your wife. I hope they caught it early and she's doing well.

Oh yeah, it was stage 3 colon cancer by the time we caught it. It was messy. She went to hell and back. We're at 13 or 14 years cancer free now, so it's a distant memory

 

[InVOLuntary]

Oh yeah, it was stage 3 colon cancer by the time we caught it. It was messy. She went to hell and back. We're at 13 or 14 years cancer free now, so it's a distant memory

Man, wasn't she young for that? My grandmother who i barely remember died of CC when I was 4. She was mid 40's. Because of that I had to start with the colonoscopies pretty early. Glad she's free of that nasty disease.

 

[Wireless1]

ChatGPT:

Psychic detectives claim to use paranormal abilities, such as extrasensory perception (ESP), clairvoyance, or telepathy, to help solve crimes, often collaborating with law enforcement or private investigators. The concept of psychic detectives is highly controversial, and scientific data does not support the existence of their abilities. Here’s a summary of the data and findings on psychic detectives:

1. Scientific Studies and Skepticism​

• No Empirical Support: Numerous scientific studies have investigated psychic claims, but none have demonstrated that psychic detectives perform better than chance in solving crimes.
• Cold Reading and Subjectivity: Psychics often use techniques like cold reading, where they make general statements or guesses that people interpret as accurate. The tendency for people to remember "hits" (correct guesses) and forget "misses" adds to the perception of accuracy.

2. Law Enforcement’s View​

• Limited Official Involvement: While some police departments have worked with psychic detectives in high-profile cases, law enforcement agencies generally do not endorse their use. In many cases where psychics claim to have solved crimes, investigations show that they had no impact.
• FBI’s Position: The FBI, in particular, has stated that it does not endorse the use of psychics. FBI profiler John E. Douglas, who helped pioneer criminal profiling, has repeatedly criticized the lack of evidence supporting psychic detection.

3. Famous Cases and Anecdotal Evidence​

• Notable Failures: In high-profile cases, such as the Elizabeth Smart kidnapping and the murder of JonBenét Ramsey, psychic detectives made inaccurate predictions and often misled investigations.
• Occasional "Successes": Some psychics claim credit for successful leads in cases, but these are often explained by coincidence or publicly available information that psychics use to appear knowledgeable.

4. Media Influence​

• Television and Popularity: Psychic detectives are a popular subject in TV shows and media, often portrayed in a positive light. Shows like Psychic Detectives and Medium glamorize their abilities, influencing public perception despite the lack of scientific validation.

AI versus Psychics, this could get interesting.....

 

[rjd970]

It never ceases to amaze me how people get bamboozled by the most ridiculous stuff.

 

[n_huffhines]

Episode 3, this lady (former military) who was chosen because she is a professional therapist recounts how she went on her first mission with Ballard. There was no training. There was no recon done (although they claimed to have done their due diligence). They found no evidence whatsoever of trafficking. The couple's ruse was completely inappropriate. She went to another higher-up and reported Tim, said she wouldn't do another mission with him, and that he has personality disorders. The response was "we know and we'll keep you away from him and you can do missions without him."

She then went to a training where they simulated a scrum for a rubber knife in the middle of a group of trainees (mostly men) and she was kneed twice in the head. She broke her orbital bone, had a concussion, and was vomiting and pissing herself, and Tim wouldn't let them call an ambulance (presumably because of optics).

Hers was one of the lawsuits thrown out because she signed a liability waiver after the accident so she could go on another mission (still believing in the cause).

 

[Carl Pickens]

Everybody should do themselves a favor and watch An Honest Liar (documentary about the Amazing Randi).

Once Houdini found out about mediums, he spent the rest of his life trying to find if anybody could truly do it. He was obsessed with speaking with his dead Mother. All he found was a bunch of charlatans with parlor tricks. In fact, some think the punch that inadvertently killed Houdini was supposed to be a warning from disgruntled mediums whose livelihoods were being threatened.

He gave his wife a password that he would say to her through a medium after he died. As far as we know, no medium ever came up with the password.

Then the Amazing Randi comes along and he spends his life disproving all the most famous psychics and mediums of that era.

Good stuff.

Edit: looks like you can stream it for free (for now) https://www.vudu.com/content/browse/details/An-Honest-Liar/1467483

He died from a ruptured appendix

 

[n_huffhines]

Episode 4

Ballard is the face of OUR with mass-distributed marketing materials, a documentary, public appearances, an online presence, and supposedly a history of rescues. He's also supposedly an intelligence expert for these kinds of missions. They point out that he goes "under cover." But really all he does is change his name and put on some fake tattoos that don't do anything to disguise who he is. They didn't take it a step a further....

He is unnecessarily putting everyone at risk on these missions, because if the traffickers are doing any networking at all, or do a Google image search on him, or just happen to be aware of OUR, then he's gonna blow everyone's cover. He has no idea what he's doing. Pretty laughable.

The victim they interview in this episode had previously been a victim, and Ballard knew this and must've thought she is easy prey.

 

[n_huffhines]

He died from a ruptured appendix

The story goes that the punch is what caused the appendix to rupture.

"Doctors listed Houdini’s death as periodontitis caused by a burst appendix. At the time, it was accepted that the punch Houdini took to the gut caused his appendicitis and, indirectly, his death. Bess, Houdini’s wife, was even awarded double the original value of Houdini’s life insurance policy due to his accidental death.

Despite the conspiracy theories and even medical professionals’ beliefs that the punch caused his death, it is most likely that Houdini simply died as a result of his stubbornness. Modern scholars believe that Houdini was likely already suffering from appendicitis when Whitehead punched him, exacerbating the condition."

 

[Vol8188]

Do they talk to the dead Book of Mormon prophet Nephi?

Psychics are ********, but especially this one.

I'd love to see documentation and specifics on any "long history" of success for "dozens."

I don’t have time to listen, but outside of the use of psychics (agreed it’s a waste of time/money), were their any other concerns with the organization?