Opinion: Faith based roots of America

[bignewt]

Always count on Newt to trash on Christians. It's like crack cocaine. Gotta have his fix.

Just a little hit and run, this forum is utterly disgusting to stay in for very long.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

And all those things were because they drifted from God. Those morals were established in religion. As religion has decayed so has society. There is a definite correlation.

I would argue that we haven't strayed far from any morality we ever had. The only thing that has changed is the access to the stories of the moral decay. The same behavior has existed since the beginning of time.

 

[hog88]

Bible reading in schools and later public schools when they were established, were common in the founding generation and throughout the 1800s. Hell, a few New England States still had a State church after ratification (hint, because the Bill of Rights didnt apply to States).

The seperation of church and State and its intent, have been completely perverted.

The BoRs absolutely applied to states, the imaginary separation of church and state only prohibited the federal government from establishing an official religion.

 

[volgr]

The BoRs absolutely applied to states

Wrong. If so, why do State Constitutions have their own Bill of Rights? The Bill of Rights did not apply to States.

 

[hog88]

Wrong. If so, why do State Constitutions have their own Bill of Rights? The Bill of Rights did not apply to States.

Dude, you're as wrong here as you are in the Ukraine thread. State constitutions cannot supersede the US constitution so yes the BoRs applies to states.

 

[sonofUT62]

Dude, you're as wrong here as you are in the Ukraine thread. State constitutions cannot supersede the US constitution so yes the BoRs applies to states.

 

[volgr]

Dude, you're as wrong here as you are in the Ukraine thread. State constitutions cannot supersede the US constitution so yes the BoRs applies to states.

You are debating incorporation and the 14th. That came later, but this thread is dealing with our roots or founding generations. There is zero question as to whether our Founders thought the BoR applied to States. If it did, the Constitution would have never been ratified.

 

[gcbvol]

I'm a believer in the golden rule. While it is from Jesus, one's religion, or lack thereof, is irrelevant in its application. Unless you're a masochist, perhaps.

 

[BreatheUT]

Good discussion.

 

[LouderVol]

Bible reading in schools and later public schools when they were established, were common in the founding generation and throughout the 1800s. Hell, a few New England States still had a State church after ratification (hint, because the Bill of Rights didnt apply to States).

The seperation of church and State and its intent, have been completely perverted.

a bible was the most common book available, often the ONLY book available. If you wanted to be literate there is a good chance your only option was to read a bible.

and as I stated there is a difference in what was going on, and the why or how our government was formed. I don't think it was an intention of our Federal Founding Fathers that there had to be bible readings for the purposes of spreading a faith. I think they were fine with it if readings happened, but clearly didn't want to enforce it.