Orange and White Game

[volattic]

I am going to the orange and white game plus going to autograph siging but i aint gonna buy my tickets till saturday.Do we have to have a ticket to get autographs because the gates dont open till 12 on saturday??

 

[mattvols]

i also have a question about the O&W game, is Volnation meeting somewhere or what?

 

[Jasongivm6]

i also have a question about the O&W game, is Volnation meeting somewhere or what?

But I thought...........................

 

[jakez4ut]

just read an article on govolsxtra regarding the o&w game. apparently the powers at be have decided to scale back the offense to the point where CDC says "....we'll run very, very, very little of our offense".

Cut says he's paranoid about this stuff and that he probably shouldn't have made this public (i agree), but he doesn't want to give Cal any more tape of us than is necessary.

So the fans shouldn't expect to see a whole lot of change on Saturday....

two things:
1. what's the point of having any semblence of a new system if you aren't going to practice it in the only "live" game situation on of the Spring?
2. I guess this means we be scaling back in the fall too? don't want the next opponent to get too much tape on what we're all about?

Most all of you know how i feel about the staff and next season...but i got to admit...this is freakin' stupid.

 

[orange+white=heaven]

Same article from Tennessean

I dunno Jake. They are always so vanilla in these things anyway, whats the harm in saying "we're gonna be vanilla" ahead of time.

Besides, I don't think Cut has this offense to a point where it's even ready to really show off yet. He needs the summer practices still to put this thing in place.
Why go out and show a disjointed version of what you're going to be doing, and then let us (webboards) spend two months saying "well I saw it, and it aint gonna work"....

 

[jakez4ut]

Same article from Tennessean

I dunno Jake. They are always so vanilla in these things anyway, whats the harm in saying "we're gonna be vanilla" ahead of time.

Besides, I don't think Cut has this offense to a point where it's even ready to really show off yet. He needs the summer practices still to put this thing in place.
Why go out and show a disjointed version of what you're going to be doing, and then let us (webboards) spend two months saying "well I saw it, and it aint gonna work"....

that's probably what makes sense....but it just kind of sounded chicken sh_t to come out after all the not so good scrimmages thus far, and say we're "just not going run any of that". it just irked me, that's all.

it almost sounded like, "well if we can't do it now, we're just not going to try".

but what you stated is probably more to truth of the matter...i can see that. I guess for me, we haven't really heard any so called unbiased reports on practice and i was looking forward to hearing/seeing reports from some other views of what they have accomplished, or not, thus far in the spring. and now it looks like no one is going to have the chance.....i want something positive. i want something to feel confident about. And i think most would probably agree that that's what i've always tried to portray when i express my views here.....but it just seems, right now and i know it's way early, there' s not much to feel good about.

 

[hatvol96]

So, instead of the usual five plays, they're only going to run three instead? UT scaling back their offense is like an anorexic deciding to go on a diet.

 

[RealVol]

Scale back hell!
Compared to what our 40 year old, 8 play formation, hypo-underachieving, over used offense?

Now that will be worth seeing!

 

[jakez4ut]

a quote from CDC:
"We're going to really limit it from a formation standpoint, a passing game standpoint and probably only take in four or five runs and see if we can execute, be tougher and block and tackle."

he also said that they'll probably run some very basic stuff that they won't even run in the fall?????

Again, i understand.....but it is frustrating.

 

[RealVol]

I'm sure he knows what he's doing, but jake you're right I believe evey UT Fan wants to see more.

I certainly would have expected more results & progress from Cut & Staff.

 

[jakez4ut]

I'm sure he knows what he's doing, but jake you're right I believe evey UT Fan wants to see more.

I certainly would have expected more results & progress from Cut & Staff.

i think we're all a vicitim of the "instant rice" generation. We want what we want and we want it now. The reality that i/we have to come to grips with is that this will not be an overnite process. I do beileve Cut has made a lot of changes this Spring. And as much as i don't like it, it's going to take more than 15 practices to get it down.

After thinking about it a bit, it does make sense for them to go about the Spring game in this way. it will push the offensive line. and by all accounts the O Line is what needs the most work. And from the sound of it, they are going to be forced to push the Defense around based on the types of formations they are going to run. From that standpoint, i understand it. I may not like it, but i do understand.

 

[vader]

So, instead of the usual five plays, they're only going to run three instead? UT scaling back their offense is like an anorexic deciding to go on a diet.

lol: lol: lol:

 

[VOLracerx]

I am sure I will get flamed off the board for this, and don't get me wrong - I want to see more as well. BUT why don't we trust in them as coaches and teachers and see what they produce. If Cut needs more time I will give it - take the time now to work out the basics and show me the total package when the time is right. There is no use in showing off in the spring game anyway.

 

[WA_Vol]

just read an article on govolsxtra regarding the o&w game. apparently the powers at be have decided to scale back the offense to the point where CDC says "....we'll run very, very, very little of our offense".

Cut says he's paranoid about this stuff and that he probably shouldn't have made this public (i agree), but he doesn't want to give Cal any more tape of us than is necessary.

So the fans shouldn't expect to see a whole lot of change on Saturday....

two things:
1. what's the point of having any semblence of a new system if you aren't going to practice it in the only "live" game situation on of the Spring?
2. I guess this means we be scaling back in the fall too? don't want the next opponent to get too much tape on what we're all about?

Most all of you know how i feel about the staff and next season...but i got to admit...this is freakin' stupid.

If the offense really is as different as Cutcliffe says it is, then it seems like a good idea. Why give them any more help then necessary.

Its hard to believe Fulmer is allowing this much radical change to the offense. I'm a little skeptical that it is that much different. Maybe some different formations, more passing plays, but its hard to believe they have redone the playbook, though most of us are probably hoping they did.

 

[JasonCajun]

If the offense really is as different as Cutcliffe says it is, then it seems like a good idea. Why give them any more help then necessary.

Its hard to believe Fulmer is allowing this much radical change to the offense. I'm a little skeptical that it is that much different. Maybe some different formations, more passing plays, but its hard to believe they have redone the playbook, though most of us are probably hoping they did.

If Fulmer has any sense at all, he will take his hands off of calling plays. He needs to go back and work with the OL and oversee them and allow Cutcliffe to do his thing. I am a little skeptical that the offense will be radically different, merely because Cutcliffe and Fulmer have the same roots.

 

[WA_Vol]

If its really that different of an offense have a closed scrimmage. I think they are setting themselves up though for lots of criticism. All this talk about a new offense, new plays, etc and then if we get the same basic offense and formations with only a couple of new wrinkles and plays in it, they are going to be heavily criticized.

Fulmer's always been tight lipped about the team, never wanting to reveal too much, even when the offense was looking the same from one year to the next. It begs to ask, what was he so tight lipped and secretive about? Anyone who wanted to know what the offense would be like, only had to go pull the previous year's games. Its been almost identical from year to year for the past decade. I'm afraid Fulmer's idea of a radical new offense would be to add a handful of new plays, 4 or 5, in his mind thats probably radically different.

 

[JasonCajun]

I don't even see what the point is of having a Spring game anymore. It hasn't been a good show in years, and now they are running even more of a vanilla offense than we see during the season, if that is possible.

Isn't the Spring game for the fans? If so, what is so entertaining about it?

 

[VolBeef88]

If its really that different of an offense have a closed scrimmage. I think they are setting themselves up though for lots of criticism. All this talk about a new offense, new plays, etc and then if we get the same basic offense and formations with only a couple of new wrinkles and plays in it, they are going to be heavily criticized.

Fulmer's always been tight lipped about the team, never wanting to reveal too much, even when the offense was looking the same from one year to the next. It begs to ask, what was he so tight lipped and secretive about? Anyone who wanted to know what the offense would be like, only had to go pull the previous year's games. Its been almost identical from year to year for the past decade. I'm afraid Fulmer's idea of a radical new offense would be to add a handful of new plays, 4 or 5, in his mind thats probably radically different.

OKIE i disagree with you. I think CRS changed the O more than most realize. You go back and watch some games in the early 90's through 97 and it is clear CDC morphed our O according to the talent we had. Then starting in 98 a little and then quite a bit from 99 on CRS changed our O a lot IMO.

 

[holdemvol]

If the offense really is as different as Cutcliffe says it is, then it seems like a good idea. Why give them any more help then necessary.

Its hard to believe Fulmer is allowing this much radical change to the offense. I'm a little skeptical that it is that much different. Maybe some different formations, more passing plays, but its hard to believe they have redone the playbook, though most of us are probably hoping they did.

I think Fulmer will allow Cut to do whatever he wants with the offense. He trusts him with it unlike Sanders when Fulmer seemed to have his hands all over it. As far as the Spring game goes, If you are making major changes why in the hell would you lay it all out there in the OW game? Do NFL teams run thier complete packages in pre season games? Are they supposed to show thier hand in spring just to make the fans happy? I don't understand why people are upset (and this is not directed at OKIE) that they won't get to see the "new" offense in spring. It would make absolutely no sense at all to reveal what's new for all to see if in fact there are major changes. From what I have read it seems like at this point the main focus is making these players better fundamentaly and then worry about the rest and that is how it should be because there is not an offensive scheme in the world that would have helped UT's offense much at all last year....they couldn't even execute the "vanilla" offense they were running.

 

[jakez4ut]

OK, after reading all the different ideas etc....some good points made. my initial reaction was a knee jerk one that usually i try not to have.

But in this case, the first thing that came to mind was "you got to be kidding me?".

but taking all things into consideration, the fundamentals esp for the Offensivle line, i do understand the mindset. I can even understand the hesitation to "show off" any changes in such public forum.

hope it all works out....go coach em up and get em ready.
Go Vols.

 

[GAVol]

a quote from CDC:
"We're going to really limit it from a formation standpoint, a passing game standpoint and probably only take in four or five runs and see if we can execute, be tougher and block and tackle."

he also said that they'll probably run some very basic stuff that they won't even run in the fall?????

Again, i understand.....but it is frustrating.

I think most people would be really surprised at the low number of plays that a lot of teams use in a game plan. This kind of talk really doesn't bother me that much. If you watched them last year, it was pretty apparent that the problems were more fundamental than playcalling. If the o-line isn't blocking, the receivers aren't catching and the throws aren't on target, it doesn't matter what kind of offense we run. Spring is the time to work on technique; not run double reverses.

 

[jakez4ut]

If you watched them last year, it was pretty apparent that the problems were more fundamental than playcalling.

I agree 100%. My only reason for even posting this topic was because of all the changes you heard coming from the coaches regarding the offense....i was kind of looking forward to seeing/hearing about them in the o&w game....and now that there not, i was just a little miffed.

but after reading, and thinking a bit, i do understand and somewhat agree with the approach...as stated, the offensive line apparently needs the most work, and it sounds like based on the type of offense the are going to run Saturday, it will get the most work.

 

[lawgator1]

just read an article on govolsxtra regarding the o&w game. apparently the powers at be have decided to scale back the offense to the point where CDC says "....we'll run very, very, very little of our offense".

Cut says he's paranoid about this stuff and that he probably shouldn't have made this public (i agree), but he doesn't want to give Cal any more tape of us than is necessary.

So the fans shouldn't expect to see a whole lot of change on Saturday....

two things:
1. what's the point of having any semblence of a new system if you aren't going to practice it in the only "live" game situation on of the Spring?
2. I guess this means we be scaling back in the fall too? don't want the next opponent to get too much tape on what we're all about?

Most all of you know how i feel about the staff and next season...but i got to admit...this is freakin' stupid.

I can't believe that they are going to "hold back" on running the offense just to keep a team from getting footage of them for a game that is 5 months away. That would be so unbelievably dumb. That cannot be right.

 

[holdemvol]

I can't believe that they are going to "hold back" on running the offense just to keep a team from getting footage of them for a game that is 5 months away. That would be so unbelievably dumb. That cannot be right.

I don't think keeping footage from Cal is the only reason this route is being taken but i also don't see any reason to give anything away before the opener. Why not give yourself a little edge? Besides we open with Cal, it might be different if we opened the season with say.....southern miss. :biggrin2: Again, why not try to improve on fundamentals right now and worry about the "new" system once the players learn to throw, catch, etc.....

 

[lawgator1]

I don't think keeping footage from Cal is the only reason this route is being taken but i also don't see any reason to give anything away before the opener. Why not give yourself a little edge? Besides we open with Cal, it might be different if we opened the season with say.....southern miss. :biggrin2: Again, why not try to improve on fundamentals right now and worry about the "new" system once the players learn to throw, catch, etc.....

Not running the plays because the players aren't ready or because the focus right now is on fundamentals and more basic stuff makes total sense.

Not running the plays because you are afraid for Cal to see them is just goofy.