Oregon's Gimmick Offense Should Put Us On Notice

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hog88 said:
Who are the top 5 QB's in the NFL?

How many future HOFers are starting today in the NFL?

How fast they transition to the NFL means nothing if there isn't competition. Look how many first rounders have flamed out over the past five years because they were not ready.
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Highly touted quarterbacks flaming out when they get to the NFL isn't just a recent trend. Not sayin you're right or wrong otherwise....just sayin
 
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It wouldn't matter what offense bam a runs with the way they recruit and the game planning of Saban.
 
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The originator of this thread has the imagination of a crackhead with a PHD in chemistry.... GENIUS!
 
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patrick said:
I would take Bama's traditional offensive scheme over anything Oregon, Auburn, Baylor, ND, Tennessee does or any other spread option - zone read team in the AA.

But that's just my preference.

Based upon the BCS Champions since the BCS started in 1998 there have been 11 out of 15 bcs champs that run traditional non spread or zone read offenses (the 11 includes one for Fla w leak at the helm). That is a pretty good ratio by anyone's standard and shows the validity of a traditional scheme vs non traditional.
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Absolute truth right here :good!:
 
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jp1 said:
Your numbers would still favor the pro style, but no one ran the spread in 1998 so you should adjust your count.
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Um no....

Stoops been running a version of the spread since he arrived at Oklahoma in 1999.

And Bill Synder at K State was running it before then - hell Urban Meyer learned the system from Coach Synder.

Oh and there was a guy named Rich Rod was a pioneer in the spread option during his days at Glenville State.

"Spread Option offenses are considered to be "equalizers" on the playing field – allowing less athletic teams to compete with larger and faster defenses."

A Look at Bill Snyder's Impact on Bob Stoops and Urban Meyer | Sportsgeek's Blog | FanNation.com
 
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Stanford had all the trouble in the world stopping the Army black knights triple option offense. Go check out the game of youtube if you don't believe me. Mistakes here and there caused them the game, but Army should have won the game. Army rushed for 284 yards against them.

I wonder why Army's option offense was so effective, but not Oregon with much more talented players....odd. And if Stanford is so good against the option, why did they have so much trouble stopping army?
 
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There's a reason Oregon played poorly--and it's called Stanford! When Oregon plays against physical FB teams who have neutralized their SPEED advantage--they lose. I have watched them for the last 4-5 years and it's always the same.

The thing of it is--only a few teams over that time have had the ability to neutralize their SPEED advantage...

Turnovers, penalties, poor play last night was ALL a fDOMINATED! It's like Mike Tyson used to say--everybody got a plan 'til they get HIT! Oregon got HIT last night--and they crumbled right before the nation's eyes.

Stanford is THE great team in the PAC-12, not Oregon. :salute:[/QUOTE]
So Utah is the best team I'm the country?
 
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bay224 said:
Stanford had all the trouble in the world stopping the Army black knights triple option offense. Go check out the game of youtube if you don't believe me. Mistakes here and there caused them the game, but Army should have won the game. Army rushed for 284 yards against them.

I wonder why Army's option offense was so effective, but not Oregon with much more talented players....odd. And if Stanford is so good against the option, why did they have so much trouble stopping army?
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Stanford won by 14 points. Also all Army does is run. Did you see how Stanford wore Oregon down with the run? Well the same thing happened to them. Also the triple option is different than the read option.
 
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patrick said:
Um no....

Stoops been running a version of the spread since he arrived at Oklahoma in 1999.

And Bill Synder at K State was running it before then - hell Urban Meyer learned the system from Coach Synder.

Oh and there was a guy named Rich Rod was a pioneer in the spread option during his days at Glenville State.

"Spread Option offenses are considered to be "equalizers" on the playing field – allowing less athletic teams to compete with larger and faster defenses."

A Look at Bill Snyder's Impact on Bob Stoops and Urban Meyer | Sportsgeek's Blog | FanNation.com
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Oh my bad. By all means count those teams. Didn't mean to slight Glenville State in the race for the National Championship.

My point was obviously missed with you.

Do you think it is fair to compare 10 spread schools versus 110 non spread schools and conclude that non spread offenses are better?

(Fyi if you read a previous post of mine in this thread you will see I lean towards a pro-style O)
 
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patrick said:
I would take Bama's traditional offensive scheme over anything Oregon, Auburn, Baylor, ND, Tennessee does or any other spread option - zone read team in the AA.

But that's just my preference.

Based upon the BCS Champions since the BCS started in 1998 there have been 11 out of 15 bcs champs that run traditional non spread or zone read offenses (the 11 includes one for Fla w leak at the helm). That is a pretty good ratio by anyone's standard and shows the validity of a traditional scheme vs non traditional.
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Leak was running the spread option when they won that title.
 
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VOLnMiami said:
Leak was running the spread option when they won that title.
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not really it was more traditional with some spread looks but still if you take that one away it leaves 10 out of how many?

The point is still the same.
 
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What Oregon has done is a gimmick. They say speed kills, well so does a hammer, which is what they got. The score does not reflect what that game was... pure physical domination. Oregon plays powder puff football, people say it's exciting, I think it's boring.... like watching a ping pong match.
 
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jp1 said:
Oh my bad. By all means count those teams. Didn't mean to slight Glenville State in the race for the National Championship.

My point was obviously missed with you.

Do you think it is fair to compare 10 spread schools versus 110 non spread schools and conclude that non spread offenses are better?

(Fyi if you read a previous post of mine in this thread you will see I lean towards a pro-style O)
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The post I quoted from you was the no one ran the spread in 1998 which is just not the case. And it wasn't just Glenville State and K State but you can do your own homework on that.
 
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patrick said:
The post I quoted from you was the no one ran the spread in 1998 which is just not the case. And it wasn't just Glenville State and K State but you can do your own homework on that.
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Again, don't avoid my question. Is it a fair comparison?
 
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Count your numbers from around 2004-2005 and you won't get anargument from me.
 
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rcvol said:
Ha! No. That's called smash mouth football.
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The fact you think a shotgun read option is gimmicky is freaking retarded. It gives you 2 runners pre snap to execute the play. That is not gimmicky when the QB has to watch on defensive lineman to see who gets the play. Please explain how that is gimmicky or a trick play.
 
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Omg a really good team beat a really good team...

Lets discuss this for 2 weeks abandon our whole offensive scheme, because of a random team lost one game.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
The fact you think a shotgun read option is gimmicky is freaking retarded. It gives you 2 runners pre snap to execute the play. That is not gimmicky when the QB has to watch on defensive lineman to see who gets the play. Please explain how that is gimmicky or a trick play.
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Don't waste your time. Learn from my failures.
 
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Smash mouth, and airing it out are tendencies. You can air it out in ace formation or smash mouth in shotgun. Systems should be able to keep themselves balanced through play-calls.
Prostyle and spread are the same nowadays aren't they not? The pro "style" has been in a lot of shotgun for a long time. None of this football is all new.
 
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Vol4life25 said:
Omg a really good team beat a really good team...

Lets discuss this for 2 weeks abandon our whole offensive scheme, because of a random team lost one game.
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EXACTLY!

If Oregon and Stanford played 10 times on a neutral field they would probably win 5 each. They are both top 5 teams and play as such. This whole debate about Oregon's offense being "gimmicky" is silly.

Stanford came out with a great game plan, executed it to near perfection, got a couple breaks (where as Oregon got none) and capitalized on them.

Oregon on the other hand played their C game, never got in a rhythm, and didn't capitalize on scoring opportunities (two turnovers and a failed 4th down attempt). Credit Stanford for disrupting/causing some of that.

Still, this game could go either way every time they match up.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
EXACTLY!

If Oregon and Stanford played 10 times on a neutral field they would probably win 5 each. They are both top 5 teams and play as such. This whole debate about Oregon's offense being "gimmicky" is silly.

Stanford came out with a great game plan, executed it to near perfection, got a couple breaks (where as Oregon got none) and capitalized on them.

Oregon on the other hand played their C game, never got in a rhythm, and didn't capitalize on scoring opportunities (two turnovers and a failed 4th down attempt). Credit Stanford for disrupting/causing some of that.

Still, this game could go either way every time they match up.
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Negative ghost rider the pattern is apparent. We have been put on notice. Abandon ship before it's too late. Take the advice of the great RCVol.
 
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patrick said:
not really it was more traditional with some spread looks but still if you take that one away it leaves 10 out of how many?

The point is still the same.
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There was nothing traditional about that UF offense that year...They ran Meyers offense which is the spread option...Tim Tebow was Leaks backup that year...He would come in on 3rd and short plays.
 
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VOLnMiami said:
There was nothing traditional about that UF offense that year...They ran Meyers offense which is the spread option...Tim Tebow was Leaks backup that year...He would come in on 3rd and short plays.
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It was a scaled back version of Meyer's spread option you goof. The reason why? Because Chris Leak was a drop back passer and not a spread option QB. There was only one designed run play where Leak as QB was to keep the ball and that play happened to be a straight draw. Leak to use the words of one writer was "horrified" with the thought of being a running/spread option qb.
 
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