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LawVol13

LawVol13

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is absolutely pathetic. At the end of regulation we end up with a 35 foot contested 3 by Goins, who hit nothing the entire game. And to tie the game in overtime, we end up with McBee cranking up a 30 foot fadeaway. We ought to write a manual on how to lose close games.
 
#2
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We never learn. Tie game, last possession? You can count on us shooting a 3.
 
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No Law, it's the refs. It's all refs. Our pathetic half court offense and late game possessions have NOTHING to do with it. It's all refs.

P.S. ESPN hates us.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
No Law, it's the refs. It's all refs. Our pathetic half court offense and late game possessions have NOTHING to do with it. It's all refs.

P.S. ESPN hates us.
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How could I forget? If we'd won that game, you can bet there would have been a thread praising the officials for allowing physical play on both ends.
 
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The last possession was actually nicely set up, but the decision making was poor after Tobias dumped the ball back out to Skylar.
 
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If the first option isn't there, our guys panic. There is never a 2nd option or the confidence or know how for a player to try to get to the basket or draw a foul. They always immediately shoot from wherever they are despite the fact it never goes in. I don't get how we don't work on closing out games as many times as it has cost us this year.
 
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Unimane said:
The last possession was actually nicely set up, but the decision making was poor after Tobias dumped the ball back out to Skylar.
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The result of the play was a product of bad coaching in my eyes. Everybody in the building knew Bama would double Harris in the post. All that had to be done was a kick out to McBee and a repost by Harris. McBee then reenters it, and Harris goes at the basket. That's basketball 101.
 
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Is that one of the new game maxims? We must shoot a three one the last possession of a close game regardless of the score.
 
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LawVol13 said:
The result of the play was a product of bad coaching in my eyes. Everybody in the building knew Bama would double Harris in the post. All that had to be done was a kick out to McBee and a repost by Harris. McBee then reenters it, and Harris goes at the basket. That's basketball 101.
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I've seen that exact play work for us before, most notably Tyler Smith vs. Ole Miss, so I don't think it was bad coaching. I think we had a guy in McBee who panicked by being in a situation he's normally not in. He had three better options than the one he took, but had no cajones to have the ball. He should either (1) clear out and spot up more assertively, (2) pump fake and return the ball to Harris or (3) pump fake and shoot the ball. Reversing the ball with less than five seconds to players on the opposite side of a clear out was not going to work.
 
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Unimane said:
I've seen that exact play work for us before, most notably Tyler Smith vs. Ole Miss, so I don't think it was bad coaching. I think we had a guy in McBee who panicked by being in a situation he's normally not in. He had three better options than the one he took, but had no cajones to have the ball. He should either (1) clear out and spot up more assertively, (2) pump fake and return the ball to Harris or (3) pump fake and shoot the ball. Reversing the ball with less than five seconds to players on the opposite side of a clear out was not going to work.
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You're missing my point. The play design wasn't that bad. But, the failure to anticipate what Bama would do in the huddle beforehand is why he panicked. They should have taken the floor knowing what to do when/if Harris gets doubled. They clearly didn't.
 
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LawVol13 said:
You're missing my point. The play design wasn't that bad. But, the failure to anticipate what Bama would do in the huddle beforehand is why he panicked. They should have taken the floor knowing what to do when/if Harris gets doubled. They clearly didn't.
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The play call wasn't the gist of my argument, either. To me, I think there was instruction, but McBee couldn't handle the moment. It's the price we play for Pearl listening to the yokels wanting a local kid with D-II talent because "he'll play for the T".
 
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We didn't play to win at the end of the game, we played safe just like the UF game, thinking we could beat both teams in overtime because we were at home. That mentality has gotta go.
 
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Unimane said:
The play call wasn't the gist of my argument, either. To me, I think there was instruction, but McBee couldn't handle the moment. It's the price we play for Pearl listening to the yokels wanting a local kid with D-II talent because "he'll play for the T".
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I guess that's possible, but the play certainly didn't look like it to me. I didn't see Harris reposting hard demanding the ball. It looked like a situation where everyone just said, "oh crap, what do we do now" when Harris was doubled.
 
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LawVol13 said:
I guess that's possible, but the play certainly didn't look like it to me. I didn't see Harris reposting hard demanding the ball. It looked like a situation where everyone just said, "oh crap, what do we do now" when Harris was doubled.
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Exactly
 
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LawVol13 said:
I guess that's possible, but the play certainly didn't look like it to me. I didn't see Harris reposting hard demanding the ball. It looked like a situation where everyone just said, "oh crap, what do we do now" when Harris was doubled.
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Well, McBee didn't exactly look back in Harris' direction when he had that hot potato. He wanted the ball out of his hands as soon as he got it and swung the ball immediately to Goins. Harris was yelling at someone following the play, so it's entirely possible that Harris should have got the ball back and McBee crapped his pants.
 
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Unimane said:
Well, McBee didn't exactly look back in Harris' direction when he had that hot potato. He wanted the ball out of his hands as soon as he got it and swung the ball immediately to Goins. Harris was yelling at someone following the play, so it's entirely possible that Harris should have got the ball back and McBee crapped his pants.
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We'll never know for sure. But judging by who we have standing over on the sidelines right now, I'd be shocked if what I was saying isn't correct.
 
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The last shot by Goins is a recurring theme, we've got to get a better shot. The ball needs to be taken to the rim by one of the longer guards and stuffed inside to Tobias or Brian.
 
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#20
This thread is silly. Everyone knows the reason we've failed miserably in four last shot situations this year is the internet conspiracy to destroy the program. Just ask Steve Forbes.
 
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When Peatl and staff leaves, this will be one of the lasting impressions of his tenure.
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hatvol96 said:
This thread is silly. Everyone knows the reason we've failed miserably in four last shot situations this year is the internet conspiracy to destroy the program. Just ask Steve Forbes.
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It really affects the coaches' confidence when they read these negative threads. It's definitely having an impact, guys.
 
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LawVol13 said:
We ought to write a manual on how to lose close games.
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Unfortunately I was stuck listening to the end of the game. One of the funny things was Bob kept pointing out that we had been in more close games than Alabama had been in, as if that was some magical advantage.

Yeah, we've in close games, and we've lost a majority of them. Big advantage that is.

And today we saw just another episode of why.
 
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#24
The shot I didn't like was when we were in overtime up 2 and Goins goes and cranks up a quick 3. Not a smart basketball decision. Work for a 2 right there and we maybe talking win.
 
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hatvol96 said:
This thread is silly. Everyone knows the reason we've failed miserably in four last shot situations this year is the internet conspiracy to destroy the program. Just ask Steve Forbes.
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At some point, you need new material.
 
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