Our Likely Sanctions...

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The NCAA identifies certain penalties as "presumptive" penalties for any major violation. We have 9 major violations alleged in basketball.

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Sanction 1: "A two-year probationary period (including a periodic in-person monitoring system and written institutional reports".

Chances: 100%; this seems a guarantee.

Sanction 2: "The reduction in the number of expense-paid recruiting visits to the institution in the involved sport for one recruiting year;"

Chances: 95%; Colorado got hit with this in a more-lax NCAA era even after Slick Rick jumped town for committing about 51 impermissible contacts over a 3-year period, and we did 96 over a similar time period.

Sanction 3: "A requirement that all coaching staff members in the sport be prohibited from engaging in any off-campus recruiting activities for up to one recruiting year";

Chances: 90%. We've self-imposed part of this sanction, but the NCAA will likely go stronger.

Sanction 4: "A requirement that all institutional staff members determined by the committee knowingly to have engaged in or condoned a major violation be subject to:
(1) Termination of employment;
(2) Suspension without pay for at least one year;
(3) Reassignment of duties within the institution to a position that does not include contact with prospective
or enrolled student-athletes or representatives of the institution’s athletics interests for at
least one year; or
(4) Other disciplinary action approved by the committee."

Chances: 90%. Pearl is likely gone, for at least 1 year if not 2. I think the NCAA is going to make a new example out of him, unfortunately. Same with his assistants, likely to get hit as an example.

Sanction 5: "A reduction in the number of financial aid awards";

Chances: 90%. I'd guess loss of 2 scholarships per year for 3 years.

Sanction 6: "Sanctions precluding postseason competition in the sport, particularly in those cases in which:
(1) Involved individuals remain active in the program;
(2) A significant competitive advantage results from the violation(s); or
(3) The violation(s) reflect a lack of institutional control."

Chances: 50%. Look at the factors -- all involved are still active in the program, and the main one is running the basketball program; apparently, 2-3 of our current players were of those we used illegal tactics to recruit; and we are on the border of #3, with the information they are still looking for on institutional control in the letter and the allegation of failure to monitor already included.

Sanction 7: "Institutional recertification that the current athletics policies and practices conform to all requirements of NCAA regulations."

Chances: 100%; a boiler-plate requirement, likely.
 
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VolunteerVandiver said:
What do you base your percentages off of? Just a shot in the dark?
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From prior precedents. You can look up the NCAA reports on the NCAA site, and, while a bit time-consuming, you'll get a good sense after reading a dozen or so, what kind of penalties tend to get issued for certain classes of violations. The bigger problem right now is Pearl is too high-profile in the allegations, and that tends to lead to harsher sanctions.
 
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I didn't know we had 9 Majors. If that is true, then we are more on par with UConn, who had 8. I have been under the impression that the only thing Basketball did that could be consider Major was the lying.
 
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Maybe the NCAA will just shut the program down....How you went from what UConn just got to those penalties bottles the mind.
 
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Shot0fClarity said:
You're obsessed/mentally challenged/both.
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Not enjoying the delusion of Tennessee fans who think an NCAA report alleging so many major violations directly against the head coach is "no big deal" requires only objectivity not obsession. I will be very glad when these days come and go, but that will happen a lot sooner when we have some people with a clue in our AD.
 
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kohlrums said:
Maybe the NCAA will just shut the program down....How you went from what UConn just got to those penalties bottles the mind.
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Did you miss what the NCAA did to the person accused of unethical conduct? They issued a 2-year show cause order, effectively ending his athletic career. We have our head coach accused of unethical conduct, and several assistants accused of dishonest conduct. The UCONN precedent is a bad one for us, not a good one.
 
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Sanction 4: "A requirement that all institutional staff members determined by the committee knowingly to have engaged in or condoned a major violation be subject to:
(1) Termination of employment;
(2) Suspension without pay for at least one year;
(3) Reassignment of duties within the institution to a position that does not include contact with prospective
or enrolled student-athletes or representatives of the institution’s athletics interests for at
least one year; or
(4) Other disciplinary action approved by the committee."

Chances: 90%. Pearl is likely gone, for at least 1 year if not 2. I think the NCAA is going to make a new example out of him, unfortunately. Same with his assistants, likely to get hit as an example.



First, you have zero basis to attach a percentage to this speculative opining.

Second, the NCAA has NO authority to FORCE a member institution to terminate a staff member's employment.

If coach Pearl gets fired, it will be the Tennessee's decision, not the NCAA.

And my OPINION is that if he was going to get axed, it would have happened already.
 
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Nah, John "I think" Pennington just said on the radio that it wasn't any worse than originally thought.
And no one can dispute Mr SEC.
 
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Beaznvol said:
First, you have zero basis to attach a percentage to this speculative opining.

Second, the NCAA has NO authority to FORCE a member institution to terminate a staff member's employment.

If coach Pearl gets fired, it will be the Tennessee's decision, not the NCAA.

And my OPINION is that if he was going to get axed, it would have happened already.
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1. So you missed the NCAA's announcement just yesterday of a show-cause order prohibiting a member of UConn's athletic staff from being employed for 2 years in such a capacity? The typical penalty for an "unethical conduct" charge is some sort of show-cause order.

2. So, you haven't heard of show-cause orders? Try to research them a bit before you say the NCAA "can't" do that.

3. Again, look again at show-cause orders. What the NCAA can do to enforce such an order is penalize the institution with scholarship limitations, TV bans, post-season bans, etc. -- so the show-cause orders are effectively enforceable and no one I know of has every tried to disregard a show-cause order.
 
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VolunteerVandiver said:
What do you base your percentages off of? Just a shot in the dark?
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Precisely. You seemed on point with a few, at the start of your opinion. However, you were just way off base with others. NCAA making an example of Pearl? No justification for that wild fabrication.

I think, at worst, the staff gets probation, we lose a few scholarships over 2 to 3 years, and Pearl is suspended further for games in 2012 (non-SEC), in short.
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So then why didnt they hammer UCONN coach this bad, what I really dont understand is why you want them to so bad vegas!
 
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If Vegas Vol, Gibbs, MHF and BOP were in the same room, would the building instantly implode?
Would forces combine like Captain Planet, and create some mammoth blowhard that roamed the earth with a giant laptop making useless threads?

Would the cartoon be picked up by the CW?
 
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VegasVol said:
1. So you missed the NCAA's announcement just yesterday of a show-cause order prohibiting a member of UConn's athletic staff from being employed for 2 years in such a capacity? The typical penalty for an "unethical conduct" charge is some sort of show-cause order.

2. So, you haven't heard of show-cause orders? Try to research them a bit before you say the NCAA "can't" do that.

3. Again, look again at show-cause orders. What the NCAA can do to enforce such an order is penalize the institution with scholarship limitations, TV bans, post-season bans, etc. -- so the show-cause orders are effectively enforceable and no one I know of has every tried to disregard a show-cause order.
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Enforceable by who and by what means????

Seeing that I've passed the Tennessee BAR Exam and have a License to Practice Law, I'm familiar with Show Cause Orders.

Point - NCAA is not a Court of Law and you do not know what would happen if an institution ignored one, aside from incurring further penalty from the governing organization in which UT is a voluntary member.

(Opinion) If the NCAA gave a penalty that "shocked the conscience" by virtue of UT NOT firing Pearl, you think at worse a lawsuit wouldn't be filed, or at best, NCAA wouldn't lose even MORE credibility? At the end of the day, the only thing the NCAA has is its credibility. If they lose that on a broad scale, watch member institutions pack up and exit stage right. It's always about $$$$$$$!! Another private governing institution would form to take it's place.

Furthermore, NCAA is not a Court of Law and even if they were, unless they are a party to Coach Pearl's contract, they have zero authority to terminate him. (Why don't you read up on Contract Law)

If Pearl doesn't get banned for 1 to 2 years as you suggest, would you be willing to leave this site for the aforementioned time period?

Only Mike Hamilton and the UT powers that be will determine Coach Pearl's future at Tennessee.

Political Reality: If Hammy has to terminate Pearl, he's likely finished as well. And that, like your first post, is an (OPINION.)



Bottom line: Your guess is as good as anyone else's and you have too much time on your hands if you're able to post as much as you do.
 
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I'm a UT alumni, a huuuge volunteer fan, and a fan of Bruce Pearl's coaching who remembers what the program was like in the years before he got here. I'd hate to see him go (even though I'm pissed off at the inconsistent play this year) and I'm not even remotely a fan of any of the other crappy teams in the SEC.

That said, I must not have had enough Orange Kool-Aid to ignore the major issues here. VV may not be into the happy talk that everyone expects, but the reality is that we are in for a helluva spanking. I would not be surprised if we have a loss of 2 schollys, losing Bruce and at least one assistant to a show cause order(maybe TJ's coaching was an audition for the job he may be looking for at the end of the season - and I'd hate that), and maybe even a post-season ban for a year or two, even if VV disagrees.

UT has been around since 1794 and will continue to be here long after that. But thinking that it will all just magically "go away" is a bit too optimistic.
 
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