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#26
#26
So then why didnt they hammer UCONN coach this bad, what I really dont understand is why you want them to so bad vegas!

Most importantly, they did hammer the individual cited for unethical or dishonest conduct -- a 2-year show cause order. That's the problem for Pearl, and the risk for the assistants cited with dishonesty.

Separately, here's the other differences, about the risk of a post-season ban:

1. UConn had fired all people charged with unethical conduct or dishonesty; we have not; and

2. UConn's allegations principally focused on 1 recruit they never landed; we apparently landed several recruits targeted for improper contact.

This is two of the critical factors the NCAA lists as guiding them on determining a postseason ban.

"Sanctions precluding postseason competition in the sport, particularly in those cases in which:
(1) Involved individuals remain active in the program;
(2) A significant competitive advantage results from the violation(s); or
(3) The violation(s) reflect a lack of institutional control."
 
#28
#28
Enforceable by who and by what means????

Seeing that I've passed the Tennessee BAR Exam and have a License to Practice Law, I'm familiar with Show Cause Orders.

Point - NCAA is not a Court of Law and you do not know what would happen if an institution ignored one, aside from incurring further penalty from the governing organization in which UT is a voluntary member.

(Opinion) If the NCAA gave a penalty that "shocked the conscience" by virtue of UT NOT firing Pearl, you think at worse a lawsuit wouldn't be filed, or at best, NCAA wouldn't lose even MORE credibility? At the end of the day, the only thing the NCAA has is its credibility. If they lose that on a broad scale, watch member institutions pack up and exit stage right. It's always about $$$$$$$!! Another private governing institution would form to take it's place.

Furthermore, NCAA is not a Court of Law and even if they were, unless they are a party to Coach Pearl's contract, they have zero authority to terminate him. (Why don't you read up on Contract Law)

If Pearl doesn't get banned for 1 to 2 years as you suggest, would you be willing to leave this site for the aforementioned time period?

Only Mike Hamilton and the UT powers that be will determine Coach Pearl's future at Tennessee.

Political Reality: If Hammy has to terminate Pearl, he's likely finished as well. And that, like your first post, is an (OPINION.)

Bottom line: Your guess is as good as anyone else's and you have too much time on your hands if you're able to post as much as you do.

1. A show-cause order requires the university and individual to show-cause why they should be allowed to coach, enforced in much the same way they can declare players ineligible for events;

2. Every coach or person I know of every cited for unethical conduct has received a show-cause order for the NCAA. Here's a listing of just some examples, which range from lying to cover up really bad conduct (like paying for a player's family to go to games or academic fraud) to lying to cover up minor conduct (like practice violations). They only had 1 thing in common -- lying earned them a show cause order.


Todd Bozeman: Lied to NCAA. Unethical conduct charge. 8-year show-cause order.

Clem Haskins: Lied to NCAA. Unethical conduct charge. 7-year show-cause order.

Dave Bliss: Lied to NCAA. Unethical conduct charge. 10-year show-cause order.

Kelvin Sampson: Lied to NCAA. Unethical conduct charge. 5-year show-cause order.

Kathy Bull: Lied to NCAA. Unethical conduct charge. 3-year show cause order.

Dustin Ashby: Lied to NCAA. Unethical conduct charge. 3-year show cause order.

Beau Archibald: Lied to NCAA. Unethical conduct charge. 2-year show cause order.

Regan Adams. Unethical conduct. 2-year show cause order.

FSU Academic Advisor. Unethical conduct. 5-year show cause order.

FSU Tutor. Unethical conduct. 4-year show cause order.

Scott Edgar. Lying to NCAA. Unethical conduct. 3-year show cause order.

Georgia Southern Assistant Coach. Lied to NCAA. Unethical conduct. 5-year show cause order.

Jake Irby. Unethical conduct. 3-year show cause order.

Central Oklahoma head coach. unethical conduct. 2-year show cause order.

I know of NO coach cited for unethical conduct who was both allowed to stay at that program and did not receive a show-cause order.
 
#30
#30
"I think the sky is falling" :horse:


Or we could just wait and see what happens. Atleast the so far non-existant Post season ban, Loss of CBP for a year or two and the Two Schollys hasn't happened. So let's just stop worring about it and get ready for a long tournement run. Its all water under the bridge, all we can do know is pull for the young men wearing the colors of our beloved team, no matter what the NCAA may or may not do to them.


GO VOLS!
 
#31
#31
Precisely. You seemed on point with a few, at the start of your opinion. However, you were just way off base with others. NCAA making an example of Pearl? No justification for that wild fabrication.

I think, at worst, the staff gets probation, we lose a few scholarships over 2 to 3 years, and Pearl is suspended further for games in 2012 (non-SEC), in short.
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Name a single head coach cited with unethical conduct for lying to the NCAA who didn't receive a show-cause order of 2 years or more. I know of none.
 
#32
#32
"Sanctions precluding postseason competition in the sport, particularly in those cases in which:
(1) Involved individuals remain active in the program;
(2) A significant competitive advantage results from the violation(s); or
(3) The violation(s) reflect a lack of institutional control."

(1) The only violations that pertain to current players are the improper calls and those hotel visits that accidentally got extended over 24 hours (a technical rule that Shay messed up; we've corrected the problem). The impermissible calls were mostly missed calls or calls that went to voice mail.

In the case of one of our current players, there were multiple impermissible calls after he signed, to congratulate him.

None of that stuff is postseason ban stuff. At all.

(2) There was no competitive advantage gained by calls to voice mail or calls to players who didn't end up at UT. There was no competitive advantage gained by the cookout, whose guests went elsewhere (and turned us in). There was certainly no competitive advantage gained by the lying.

(3) LOIC wasn't even alleged in the letter. It's no longer on the table. The hearing will be to address the contents of the letter, UT's response, and the punishment. If they want to allege LOIC, they'll have to send another letter.

In summary, NONE of the violations are post-season ban stuff. It's all peanuts except the lie.

But the lie doesn't qualify under (1) or (2), and LOIC isn't in play.

Postseason ban is out.

The only issues are:

-how long will they suspend Pearl for?
-will UT fire him?
-when will this stuff be resolved?
 
#33
#33
In summary, NONE of the violations are post-season ban stuff. It's all peanuts except the lie.

But the lie doesn't qualify under (1) or (2), and LOIC isn't in play.

Postseason ban is out.

The only issues are:

-how long will they suspend Pearl for?
-will UT fire him?
-when will this stuff be resolved?

We have an argument against #2, but we don''t against #1. The lie clearly involves the coaches still "active" in the program; it is the man running the program, Pearl, himself.
 
#34
#34
Hamilton should fire Bruce immediately, the integrity of UT is at stake. Between Kiffin and Pearl,they have destroyed the integrity of the football and basketball programs. Pat Summitt stands alone for winning the right way and its a shame UT is getting headlines for cheating. BRUCE HAS TO GO!
 
#35
#35
(1) The only violations that pertain to current players are the improper calls and those hotel visits that accidentally got extended over 24 hours (a technical rule that Shay messed up; we've corrected the problem). The impermissible calls were mostly missed calls or calls that went to voice mail.

In the case of one of our current players, there were multiple impermissible calls after he signed, to congratulate him.

None of that stuff is postseason ban stuff. At all.

(2) There was no competitive advantage gained by calls to voice mail or calls to players who didn't end up at UT. There was no competitive advantage gained by the cookout, whose guests went elsewhere (and turned us in). There was certainly no competitive advantage gained by the lying.

(3) LOIC wasn't even alleged in the letter. It's no longer on the table. The hearing will be to address the contents of the letter, UT's response, and the punishment. If they want to allege LOIC, they'll have to send another letter.

In summary, NONE of the violations are post-season ban stuff. It's all peanuts except the lie.

But the lie doesn't qualify under (1) or (2), and LOIC isn't in play.

Postseason ban is out.

The only issues are:

-how long will they suspend Pearl for?
-will UT fire him?
-when will this stuff be resolved?

Good post. I agree.
 
#36
#36
"Scott Edgar. Lying to NCAA. Unethical conduct. 3-year show cause order."

Former Pearl assistant, hmmm
 
#37
#37
Hamilton should fire Bruce immediately, the integrity of UT is at stake. Between Kiffin and Pearl,they have destroyed the integrity of the football and basketball programs. Pat Summitt stands alone for winning the right way and its a shame UT is getting headlines for cheating. BRUCE HAS TO GO!

with a name like shamwowpearl and that last statement, I see the agenda here. Not well played either.
 
#39
#39
I'm going to freak out with all these retarded threads- wait til June bc you simply have no idea.
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