Our new Coach could be Tony Elliott (rumor)

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RiverVol said:
You're not getting the point.

But - in the interest of bias, let me relate what I respect about Elliott.

1) He is disciplined enough to walk on, make the team, and play for 4 years under Bowden
2) At the same time, he graduates with a 3.55 in Industrial Engineering. Dude is a hard worker AND smart.
3) He doesn't go straight to GA.. the easy route. He works for 2 years - apparently in a corporate industrial engineering job.
4) He climbs the ranks of coaching without taking a step back down. upward trajectory.

All of that is great!! Get the man some HC experience - running a program... THEN he is qualified.

In my mind - No one. No one who hasn't had a successful run as a HC of a G5 or P5 program is qualified for this position.

I'm ok being proven wrong later. - for now, that's my opinion.
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I’m not trying to force anyone to think anything. I also believe everyone “should” have their own opinion.

However there are many folks trying to claim “1 year” crap about Elliot.....which simply isn’t true........and I’ll gladly elaborate a more “full” truth.

Just my opinion.......and “I” wouldn’t even want myself to do the coaching search. However Tennessee has hired “head coaches” in the past......and those didn’t work out either.

Again just my opinion but I would much rather have a “highly qualified” OC than many of theses middle of the road current head coaches being floated around...........to me, one seems to have more “upside” than the other.

I would love a head coach who has proven building, development and winning skills.

However, and right now......I’m taking more stock in “development” than the need for HC experience. Butch and Pruitt are gone and much of that has to do with the lack of development. Tennessee continues to recruit, the continuea to land good assistants, but they also continue to fail at development......hence the dumpster fire.

Now I don’t know how well Elliot or many of these guys can develop......but I bet White does. “If” he believes in Elliot.......I’m on board........As White has a proven track record of finding coaching talent that works for the prospective program.
 
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JoAllan said:
I’m not trying to force anyone to think anything. I also believe everyone “should” have their own opinion.

However there are many folks trying to claim “1 year” crap about Elliot.....which simply isn’t true........and I’ll gladly elaborate a more “full” truth.

Just my opinion.......and “I” wouldn’t even want myself to do the coaching search. However Tennessee has hired “head coaches” in the past......and those didn’t work out either.

Again just my opinion but I would much rather have a “highly qualified” OC than many of theses middle of the road current head coaches being floated around...........to me, one seems to have more “upside” than the other.

I would love a head coach who has proven building, development and winning skills.

However, and right now......I’m taking more stock in “development” than the need for HC experience. Butch and Pruitt are gone and much of that has to do with the lack of development. Tennessee continues to recruit, the continuea to land good assistants, but they also continue to fail at development......hence the dumpster fire.

Now I don’t know how well Elliot or many of these guys can develop......but I bet White does. “If” he believes in Elliot.......I’m on board........As White has a proven track record of finding coaching talent that works for the prospective program.
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We just spent 3 years with a highly qualified DC which is why people are against letting another one figure out how to be a head coach while we pay him ~$4 million and lose football games. Whether at the G5 level or not, proof of ability to win as a head coach is orders of magnitude more attractive than any coordinator.

Unrelated, you look ridiculous putting random things in quotations. We didn't hire "head coaches." Dooley and Jones were absolutely head coaches before accepting the job.
 
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JoAllan said:
Dude

I was answering someone.

Neither you nor I know who they are really going after.

“If” you can’t land the big fish......you got get someone......and you probably don’t want to go 5 to 7 deep in “no’s” as they have in previous searches.

I get it......you don’t want Elliot. I suggest pray harder......or if your not into that wish harder.

I’m hopeful for a great coach. For me personally I’ll gladly welcome Elliot.
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Making Danny White the second highest paid AD in the country, and then having him go out and hire Elliott, is akin to hiring a head hunter to find a replacement for your CEO, who goes and searches for applicants on Monster.com for you.

Is Elliott the worst possibility? No, but he is a huge risk, and a very underwhelming hire for a very well-paid "homerun hire" of an AD
 
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Probably_in_Class said:
We just spent 3 years with a highly qualified DC which is why people are against letting another one figure out how to be a head coach while we pay him ~$4 million and lose football games. Whether at the G5 level or not, proof of ability to win as a head coach is orders of magnitude more attractive than any coordinator.

Unrelated, you look ridiculous putting random things in quotations. We didn't hire "head coaches." Dooley and Jones were absolutely head coaches before accepting the job.
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Tennessee spent 8 years falling off a cliff before hiring Pruitt.......and those coaches were all head coaches before...........a DC didn’t work......coaches with past head coaching experience also didn’t work.

As stated in my post “I” feel development will be key for this next coach.......as to how he succeeds. That has been lacking for a long time now at Tennessee. Not necessarily “coordinator” or “HC” experience.

As far as the “” goes.......I use it as how I would speak it. Hopefully the reader can read and see where I might emphasize certain words. Hopefully a reader could read it how it “would” have been told if we were in person, rather than simple mundane reading.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Making Danny White the second highest paid AD in the country, and then having him go out and hire Elliott, is akin to hiring a head hunter to find a replacement for your CEO, who goes and searches for applicants on Monster.com for you.

Is Elliott the worst possibility? No, but he is a huge risk, and a very underwhelming hire for a very well-paid "homerun hire" of an AD
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Just me personally......I’m not simply hoping White goes out and lands the best “name” possible.

I’m hoping he goes out and lands a coach for the long haul. One who can win during the haul. A coach who can develop talent, who isn’t stubborn, who knows offense and allows staff to do their own job.......as long as that’s working.

I have no idea if that is Elliot. I also have no “real” idea if Elliot is a legit top contender. However given White’s track record “if” Elliot is the guy........I’ll be good......until it’s not good.
 
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Roustabout said:
Bowl ban means nothing at this juncture. I don't see UT getting much if any scholarship restrictions. When UT took decisive action on Pearl, they pretty well focused their punishment on the coaches and UT came away with very little. This was even more decisive. You really can't punish a university if it's own AD found the violations and fired the offenders immediately.
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If the lid has come off the investigation data I have missed it, and I have no clue what to expect from the NCAA. I really mean no clue. Wish we would share our self imposed data for a start.
 
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JoAllan said:
Tennessee spent 8 years falling off a cliff before hiring Pruitt.......and those coaches were all head coaches before...........a DC didn’t work......coaches with past head coaching experience also didn’t work.

As stated in my post “I” feel development will be key for this next coach.......as to how he succeeds. That has been lacking for a long time now at Tennessee. Not necessarily “coordinator” or “HC” experience.

As far as the “” goes.......I use it as how I would speak it. Hopefully the reader can read and see where I might emphasize certain words. Hopefully a reader could read it how it “would” have been told if we were in person, rather than simple mundane reading.
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White can actually support his coach where he needs help. All Fulmer did was review a copy of the coach’s game plan.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Making Danny White the second highest paid AD in the country, and then having him go out and hire Elliott, is akin to hiring a head hunter to find a replacement for your CEO, who goes and searches for applicants on Monster.com for you.

Is Elliott the worst possibility? No, but he is a huge risk, and a very underwhelming hire for a very well-paid "homerun hire" of an AD
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Short of going to the NFL we are running low on major candidates who will take the job.
 
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Wouldn’t be very hopeful if he were hired only because of not having any HC experience. However I’d much rather have him than Sonny Dykes.
 
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He has been a oc by himself for 1 maybe 2 years? The Co OC with him from 15-19 took the job at south florida and went 1 and 9 in year one. There are some positives he seems like a very smart guy nice degree and is well talked about. Clemson has done well but who would not do well with the talent that is there. I just wish for once we would make the clear cut number one guy no lower than number 3 on everyones list in hugh freeze.
 
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It would be better for Elliott if Chadwell got the TN job. He could fill the Coastal vacancy and get the HC experience needed to move on to a bigger job.
 
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I honestly think that it might be Elliott, but I'm fine with that, it's not the homerun hire most are looking for, but right now with everything hanging over our heads Tennessee is honestly not a homerun job right now.

He would be taking a chance on us just as we would be taking a chance on him.

I personally would take Kiffin or Freeze in a heartbeat, but that is not going to happen and we are going to have to take a coordinator and give him an opportunity.

If he works out it is great and I hope he is here for a long time and if not, hopefully he gets us thru NCAA issues that could be imposed.

I would welcome him and wish him the best and keep my fingers crossed.
 
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With Kiffin and Chadwell available, both of which would take the job, hiring Elliot would in my eyes be a failure. Wash, Rinse, Repeat! No head coaching experience, coaching at an elite program with elite players.... I remember a similar story....
 
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Probably_in_Class said:
We just spent 3 years with a highly qualified DC which is why people are against letting another one figure out how to be a head coach while we pay him ~$4 million and lose football games. Whether at the G5 level or not, proof of ability to win as a head coach is orders of magnitude more attractive than any coordinator.

Unrelated, you look ridiculous putting random things in quotations. We didn't hire "head coaches." Dooley and Jones were absolutely head coaches before accepting the job.
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Apparently GA, Ohio St and Oklahoma didn't get that memo by hiring 1st time HC's...Hmmmm..
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Apparently GA, Ohio St and Oklahoma didn't get that memo by hiring 1st time HC's...Hmmmm..
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Kirby Smart: having the same outcome as Mark Richt (essentially)
Ryan Day: inherited a program of Urban Meyer recruits and plays in the most lopsided conference in America in a state that has some of the best recruiting grounds
Lincoln Riley: inherited the program from Bob Stoops and pretty much has one "hard" opponent each year (Texas). Again, also an easy to win conference.

You can't use these three as your example to defend promoting a coordinator to a HC position, as none of these, save UGA, come close to resembling the program at UT. And even UGA is in a fertile recruiting ground and isn't facing NCAA sanctions.
 
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