Our running play designs

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Spartacavolus said:
too slow to develop and the defense just hits the gaps as they know we are not a threat outside of the tackles and if Worley does run they will catch up in 5 yards.
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This x10...it's easy to key on the tailback in the scissors option when you know the quarterback can't run. It's really that simple.The oline may suck, but the scheme isn't doing them any favors.
 
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now everyone is seeing why jay graham left for fsu. he did not care for the running game style that jones wanted to run.
 
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GAVol said:
The o-line has been bad, but I suspect it's something that will look just a little better each week.
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It hasn't been good but teams are blitzing our your TE's and Hurd like crazy. I wish he would chip and just dump to Hurd or lane more. DE's are crashing in and the mlb and one olb are firing at the gaps. No respect for an keeper, no respe t for runs outside the box and no respect for the 15-20 yard throw across the middle over the lbs heads, so they crash.
 
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This has been a great "nega" thread.

I think the running plays are ill-suited for the talent that has been brought in. Handing off five yards deep with no acceleration is definitely not working with a new line that can't sustain blocks right now.

I hope Bajakian does put some wrinkles in starting Saturday. I'd like to see some power football again. Both Marlin and Jalen can put the power in the power-spread. I think we still lack an identity on offense, and I will be extremely disappointed if Roper installs his identity before we do.

PS - I think the line did improve, and I think they will continue to improve throughout the season. However, they have the most improvement to make out of any unit right now.
 
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wilrob75 said:
This x10...it's easy to key on the tailback in the scissors option when you know the quarterback can't run. It's really that simple.The oline may suck, but the scheme isn't doing them any favors.
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I remember a CBJ coached team that came into neyland and ran all over our defense using this same scheme, which is confusing considering what we are seeing now. Our run game wasn't terrible last year either, even when Worley was behind center. Seems to me like the issue is line play. I think the yards will come we just need to give the oline time.
 
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Pump Guy said:
The way our O-line is blocking, it doesn't matter what the scheme is. I was at the game yesterday and I have not watched it yet on TV, but we looked plain awful at the line of scrimmage. Way to often, the backs were fighting off defenders in the backfield.

We start blocking, the running backs will take care of the rest.
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THIS! Little or NO push from our OL.
 
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Half the teams in the country run alot of read plays like we do. Like someone posted earlier I believe alot of the plays that look like options are just hand offs. I agree that we need to mix in some other stuff to help the line because honestly they are playing terrible. The coaches can't just abandon the entire offense together just because Worley isn't the perfect qb for it. Obviously they dont have the perfect personnel for it or we wouldn't be talking about this. The O line is much more important than Worley keeping it a few times a game.
 
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three6 said:
I remember a CBJ coached team that came into neyland and ran all over our defense using this same scheme, which is confusing considering what we are seeing now. Our run game wasn't terrible last year either, even when Worley was behind center. Seems to me like the issue is line play. I think the yards will come we just need to give the oline time.
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Collaros was more mobile than worley. But I'll give you that. He wasn't a burner. Of course we don't have Isiah pead either, and there is now a year worth of film of our offense in the league. Ultimately though the read option requires that the qb run in order for it to be effective, and we have a statue in the backfield.
 
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Hurd doesn't have acceleration? I will leave that alone. We ran the pistol in the third and scored quickly. Hurd had 2 runs for almost 20 yards total. Didn't run the read option at all. Our pass plays the ball was out quickly, and Worley was spot on. We drove all the way down field easily. After that we "practiced" our running game according to some posters on here. That one drive alone is what gives me hope.
 
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Ainge was just talking about this(slow developing runs) on Swain Event. Haven't gotten to read this thread yet, but is this fixable without major offensive scheme changes?
 
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C'mon guys,what's wrong with every running play being a draw and asking an inexperienced o line to block even longer?

I remember Butch being questioned soon after his hire about running his system with the current roster. He stated he would adapt to personnel. Evidently the draw is the answer.

I like everything Butch has done here....with the exception of his offense.
 
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s_wall98 said:
C'mon guys,what's wrong with every running play being a draw and asking an inexperienced o line to block even longer?

I remember Butch being questioned soon after his hire about running his system with the current roster. He stated he would adapt to personnel. Evidently the draw is the answer.

I like everything Butch has done here....with the exception of his offense.
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Haha that's kind of a pretty big exception.
 
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Its a little bit of a 3 part problem - Majority of it due to youth
1. we zone block so sometimes the backs dont see the hole or use the cutback lanes enough
2. our oline is decent with a regular d front but when the LB's come they are horrible at picking them up.
3 - To me this is the biggest problem when the LB's dont blitz and stay at home our oline should be able to shed thier man and pick up a LB which they arent. Hurd and Lane are hitting the line so quick there really isnt a good excuse why this isnt happening.

I havent gone back and re-watched any of the games so im not sure who the biggest culprits are but my guess would be the guards need to get to the LB's more to spring some bigger runs.
 
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deaconkane said:
Hurd doesn't have acceleration? I will leave that alone. We ran the pistol in the third and scored quickly. Hurd had 2 runs for almost 20 yards total. Didn't run the read option at all. Our pass plays the ball was out quickly, and Worley was spot on. We drove all the way down field easily. After that we "practiced" our running game according to some posters on here. That one drive alone is what gives me hope.
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I have to go back and watch but we are reading close to 90% of the time. Just doesnt look like it cause Worley gives more than keeps.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
too slow to develop and the defense just hits the gaps as they know we are not a threat outside of the tackles and if Worley does run they will catch up in 5 yards.
Really needs adjusting and the young OL has to think too much of who to block or ends up just blocking whomever fires the gap, which may take away from their responsibility.
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Thread winner.

On one point. 5 yards or not Worley has to be considered a option in the play by the defense. If he has the ability to get 3-5 the D has to honor it. If they dont see it, they dont honor it.
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velovol said:
I have to go back and watch but we are reading close to 90% of the time. Just doesnt look like it cause Worley gives more than keeps.
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Sorry man, I meant on that one drive. We were in the pistol with quick outs and our rb's hitting the line of scrimmage hard and fast. Worley didn't read option at all. Was a beautiful drive, and he never got touched by a defender. If you just watch the last 8 minutes of the 2nd qtr, then watch our first possession in the third that is what I am talking about, it's like night and day from the read option.. We had some plays where all recievers run a straight go pattern with the rb going toward the sideline and no one in the middle. Another play our wr on the right side ran a 8 yard hook route and was right beside each other. And 5 yards apart. Another play when the ball was knocked away by a defender, we had two wr standing on the 40, not the line, the actual number 40. 2 yards apart. I dont like it, but what do I know. Just giving you things to look for. Count the seconds from snap till our rb hits line of scrimmage also if you do watch. Then please call me out if I am wrong.
 
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General Jack said:
Thank goodness Worley has been accurate, he's really throwing well except for the deep ball.
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I am not sure that the deep ball are so badly thrown. Remember that we have a lot of new receivers who may not yet run their pass routes correctly. I have noticed that s0me receivers are still having problems getting off the line and therefore are not where they should be.
 
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deaconkane said:
Sorry man, I meant on that one drive. We were in the pistol with quick outs and our rb's hitting the line of scrimmage hard and fast. Worley didn't read option at all. Was a beautiful drive, and he never got touched by a defender. If you just watch the last 8 minutes of the 2nd qtr, then watch our first possession in the third that is what I am talking about, it's like night and day from the read option.. We had some plays where all recievers run a straight go pattern with the rb going toward the sideline and no one in the middle. Another play our wr on the right side ran a 8 yard hook route and was right beside each other. And 5 yards apart. Another play when the ball was knocked away by a defender, we had two wr standing on the 40, not the line, the actual number 40. 2 yards apart. I dont like it, but what do I know. Just giving you things to look for. Count the seconds from snap till our rb hits line of scrimmage also if you do watch. Then please call me out if I am wrong.
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I didnt mean to sound like a troll.
And I dont disagree with you at all. Sometimes I wish he keep the pistol and ditch read.

My guess he is not going to do that because his system is based on reading the PS and BS DE, and occasionally a DT. We dont have a good chance of beating the big boys anyway so why not keep his read system in this year to get the youth used to it so next year its second nature.
 
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TechnoVol said:
To this point after watching the first two games, I don't recall seeing any running plays where the back gets the handoff quickly and then attacks the line of scrimmage.

Currently we seem to only run from the shotgun and it seems delayed slightly as the back starts running. The counter action that we ran some yesterday is even slower to develop and really puts pressure on the O-line to maintain their blocks.

I think Lane and Hurd are much better suited at hitting the designed gap quickly. Our O-line wouldn't have to hold blocks as long and could be more aggressive in firing off the ball..

Are we putting Lane and Hurd in the best situation to succeed?
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Well said. ...and to answer your question ; no, we are not.
My true hope is that CBJ has been holding out and will unleash our new Power running , I formation, smash-mouth, rushing attack this week.
... or , at least , try it.
 
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