Over 100 Million Now Receiving Federal Welfare

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I have a lot of issues with American citizens raping the welfare system, but it baffles me that non-citizens are a part of this equation as well.

This is not just Americans, however. "These figures include not only citizens, but non-citizens as well," according to the committee.
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not surprising when the the current admin touts food stamps and unemployment checks as ways to grow the economy and strengthen the nation. Sadly I would bet a part of that 100mil actually believe it and think they are part of the solution.
 
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BearCat204 said:
I have a lot of issues with American citizens raping the welfare system, but it baffles me that non-citizens are a part of this equation as well.
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lets just call it what it is, illegal Mexican immigrants are on just as much welfare because no one in the Federal level keeps up with all this shyt. They are too busy stealing money too (look at the GSA scandal). I wouldn't be surprised if terrorists cells where in American living off the backs of taxpayers via EBT cards.
 
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lets just call it what it is, illegal Mexican immigrants are on just as much welfare because no one in the Federal level keeps up with all this shyt. They are too busy stealing money too (look at the GSA scandal). I wouldn't be surprised if terrorists cells where in American living off the backs of taxpayers via EBT cards.
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I would be interested is seeing what percentage or even an actual dollar amount that we spend on welfare to non-citizens.
 
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One HUGE problem with that chart...

It double-counts, if not triple and quadruple counts "people" since it is very likely that the same person is on Medicaid and say the SNAP program.


Please tell me that none of you buy into the fact that over 1 in 3 Americans is on "welfare"... Right?
 
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Orlando Vol said:
One HUGE problem with that chart...

It double-counts, if not triple and quadruple counts "people" since it is very likely that the same person is on Medicaid and say the SNAP program.


Please tell me that none of you buy into the fact that over 1 in 3 Americans is on "welfare"... Right?
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I would bet it's close when you consider every form of federal assistance
 
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utvolpj said:
I would bet it's close when you consider every form of federal assistance
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We're not seriously getting to the point in our history where we're villifying those on Medicare, who receive VA benefits, and/or Social Security as "leeches" on society, are we?

This "assistance" from the government are things that these Americans either paid for through taxes over their working life or sacrificed for their Country by serving in our military.


I'm not accusing YOU of necessarily doing this in your above statement, but it's happening... I see it and read it a lot more and more every day.
 
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Orlando Vol said:
We're not seriously getting to the point in our history where we're villifying those on Medicare, who receive VA benefits, and/or Social Security as "leeches" on society, are we?

This "assistance" from the government are things that these Americans either paid for through taxes over their working life or sacrificed for their Country by serving in our military.


I'm not accusing YOU of necessarily doing this in your above statement, but it's happening... I see it and read it a lot more and more every day.
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addressed in the article

However, the committee states, the figures used in the chart do not include those who are only benefiting from Social Security and/or Medicare.
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The data come "from the U.S. Census’s Survey of Income and Program Participation shows that nearly 110,000 million individuals received a welfare benefit in 2011.
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but I do view SS as a type of welfare that should be eliminated or at least privatized. I do not expect to ever see a dime of the money I've "donated"

we just had a month where more people were put on disability than there were jobs created. We are most definitely headed in the wrong direction
 
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Orlando Vol said:
One HUGE problem with that chart...

It double-counts, if not triple and quadruple counts "people" since it is very likely that the same person is on Medicaid and say the SNAP program.


Please tell me that none of you buy into the fact that over 1 in 3 Americans is on "welfare"... Right?
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That's the key question that is not answered in the chart - is it double/triple counting or not. On one hand the claim is that it comes from census data and there are (according to the article) 80 different programs. If all they did was count the number of people in the census indicating they get at least one form of the 80 then it is not double counting. If they are adding up the Medicaid, SNAP etc then it is.
 
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Orlando Vol said:
We're not seriously getting to the point in our history where we're villifying those on Medicare, who receive VA benefits, and/or Social Security as "leeches" on society, are we?

This "assistance" from the government are things that these Americans either paid for through taxes over their working life or sacrificed for their Country by serving in our military.


I'm not accusing YOU of necessarily doing this in your above statement, but it's happening... I see it and read it a lot more and more every day.
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Medicare, Social Security and VA Benefits don't fall under the "Welfare" caption.

This is what the government would consider unearned and unpaid for. I know it makes you feel better to pretend that this number is the free rider program, but that's what it's depicting.

To your earlier point, if there is as much overlap in the system, are you not concerned that the systems don't control recipient databases well enough to preclude duplication in an exercise of this nature? Do you think the folks building this made an effort to preclude said duplication?

I'm with you in knowing that most stats, especially on the political front, are utter garbage. Regardless, the message remains the same. We have created a welfare class in America that would make Eurosocialist douchebags blush.
 
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Orlando Vol said:
We're not seriously getting to the point in our history where we're villifying those on Medicare, who receive VA benefits, and/or Social Security as "leeches" on society, are we?

This "assistance" from the government are things that these Americans either paid for through taxes over their working life or sacrificed for their Country by serving in our military.


I'm not accusing YOU of necessarily doing this in your above statement, but it's happening... I see it and read it a lot more and more every day.
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Take out Medicare and SS since those are paid for by each (most) recipient in every check they earn throughout their lives.

I look at this data and don't say they are "leeching" - I say we have an abject failure of opportunity and culture of a safety net gone way beyond control. Plenty have legit need. When you get to this proportion, you've created a system that is unsustainable.
 
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There is no way that that number doesn't double (triple, quadruple,...) count. It is simply the total number of recipients of each of the 80 programs.

I'll throw out a guess of 30 Million Americans receive some sort of "welfare" -- Which is 10% or 1 in 10 Americans.


I totally agree that this is entirely too high, and needs to change.


Note: I was not trying to throw in SS, Medicare, and VA benefits into that 100 million figure in the OP, I was responding to the comment that there were probably close to 100 million getting some sort of "federal assistance".
 
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if it's a survey of people then how do you double count? They may be receiving multiple items but in the end it's still a polar question

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I'll throw out a guess of 30 Million Americans receive some sort of "welfare" -- Which is 10% or 1 in 10 Americans.
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1 in 7 are currently receiving food stamps so you're way off from the start. Heck, just NYC has about 2mil people on them
 
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Orlando Vol said:
There is no way that that number doesn't double (triple, quadruple,...) count. It is simply the total number of recipients of each of the 80 programs.

I'll throw out a guess of 30 Million Americans receive some sort of "welfare" -- Which is 10% or 1 in 10 Americans.


I totally agree that this is entirely too high, and needs to change.


Note: I was not trying to throw in SS, Medicare, and VA benefits into that 100 million figure in the OP, I was responding to the comment that there were probably close to 100 million getting some sort of "federal assistance".
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To your assertion in the first paragraph - Medicaid and SNAP alone total 99 million if you add them together - are you saying the other 78 programs only add 11 million?

No idea where you get the 30 million on welfare - as the article indicates SNAP is at 54 million; would you not consider food stamps as welfare?
 
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Orlando Vol said:
Note: I was not trying to throw in SS, Medicare, and VA benefits into that 100 million figure in the OP, I was responding to the comment that there were probably close to 100 million getting some sort of "federal assistance".
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That number has already been published at over 50% earlier this year (% of Americans receiving some form of payment from the government).

Couple this with the 50% or more that have zero or negative Federal income tax liability and you can see the problem
 
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volinbham said:
To your assertion in the first paragraph - Medicaid and SNAP alone total 99 million if you add them together - are you saying the other 78 programs only add 11 million?

No idea where you get the 30 million on welfare - as the article indicates SNAP is at 54 million; would you not consider food stamps as welfare?
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The answer is somewhere in between. I refuse to believe that 1 out of every 3 people in America are on "welfare".

That is in no way an endorsement of the current state of affairs in America. A lot of what is going on right now is the product of 30 years of economic policies.


Is Obama the best president ever? No.
Is this entire economic mess we're in his fault? No.
Is he to blame for at least some of it? Yes.
 
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Here's another article supporting the OP

Nearly Half of U.S. Lives in Household Receiving Government Benefit - Real Time Economics - WSJ

Means-tested programs, designed to help the needy, accounted for the largest share of recipients last year. Some 34.2% of Americans lived in a household that received benefits such as food stamps, subsidized housing, cash welfare or Medicaid (the federal-state health care program for the poor).
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Believe it, don't believe it - doesn't change the facts.
 
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Orlando Vol said:
The answer is somewhere in between. I refuse to believe that 1 out of every 3 people in America are on "welfare".

That is in no way an endorsement of the current state of affairs in America. A lot of what is going on right now is the product of 30 years of economic policies.


Is Obama the best president ever? No.
Is this entire economic mess we're in his fault? No.
Is he to blame for at least some of it? Yes.
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30 years? How about FDR? He knew exactly where this would eventually lead. You don't open the lid that way and expect the cat to stay in the bag.
 
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