oversigning ?

#2
#2
I have heard that we can do this. I think the guys coming in early may be able to count towards the 09 class.....I'm not sure though:dunno: It would be great!
 
#3
#3
This stuff confuses me to no end, but the 25 player limit definitely back-counts early enrollees. I counted this once and decided UT could bring in 6 ee's and they would count towards last year's limit, and then they could bring in another 25 players that count towards this year's but probably won't go that high.

I get confused though on how the new 28-man signing limit is applied. I think you can back count these but I'm not 100% sure.
 
#5
#5
There seems to be a discourse as to whether this can indeed happen. I have yet to seen anything posted and\or posted by anyone that is considered reliable.
I would need to see it from some one like Eric or sab or a few others.

That being said. I would like to think that we can. Because we did not have a full class last year. While I heard of teams taking as many as 33.
 
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orangeblooded2 said:
There seems to be a discourse as to whether this can indeed happen. I have yet to seen anything posted and\or posted by anyone that is considered reliable.
I would need to see it from some one like Eric or sab or a few others.

That being said. I would like to think that we can. Because we did not have a full class last year. While I heard of teams taking as many as 33.
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I found a forum from about a month ago on this subject: http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-vols-recruiting/78935-question-about-scholarships.html . g8terh8ter eric seemed to know a lot about it. Hope this helps
 
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#10
#10
The new SEC rule is that you can sign 28 players. That includes people the enroll early and count towards last year's class. You can only give 28 offers out.
 
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Back2BackGator said:
The new SEC rule is that you can sign 28 players. That includes people the enroll early and count towards last year's class. You can only give 28 offers out.
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Nope and definitely nope, though I think you just got the wording wrong in the last part. 28 is the amount of new signees you can have. You can backcount up the the 25 limit for each class and it counts toward that class -- not toward the 28 limit -- only up to the 85 player cap.

Positive on this, buddy.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
We can only backcount 2 this year. Max class we end up with is 30 including backcounts.
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This is part of what confuses me. Why only 2? We had several ee's last year that should have counted toward the '08 class, and Green didn't qualify.
 
#13
#13
SAB!!! you my friend,are the man.... i love reading what you and LV have to say about things.
 
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triadvolfan said:
This is part of what confuses me. Why only 2? We had several ee's last year that should have counted toward the '08 class, and Green didn't qualify.
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We also added Daniel Hood and Montori Hughes isn't on the commit list. For some reason not many of our EEs backcounted, I forget how many or why, but we ended up counting 23 enrolled last year.
 
#18
#18
One more question, then I'll leave you guys alone.

So if I'm understanding you correctly, ee's can count towards either last year's class or this year's class. So does that mean we can bring in more than 2 ee's this year but some of them will count towards the 2010 class?
 
#19
#19
The entire class can be EE's if you're lucky enough to get them, but you can only back count scholarships equal to the number of scholarships you didn't use for the previous calendar year. For example we used 23 of 25 available last year, and I think we end up with 6 or 7 ee's. We can back count 2 of those scholarships towards last years class allowing us to sign 2 more players for this class.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
We can only backcount 2 this year. Max class we end up with is 30 including backcounts.
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Not sure where you picked up the idea that you could back count and add to the 28.

Backcounting applies to the annual 25 scholarship limit. You can push your EE's back if you have room in the prior class.

28 refers to the number you can sign to a letter of intent in a particular class. It's a new rule and the number has nothing to do with the 25 scholarship limit.

Where you would get the idea that you could count back on the 28 is a mystery to me.

Hypothetically, even if you could, there is no shortage from a prior year since the system wasn't even in place from last year to create a shortage.

The two limits (25 scholly's) and (28 LOI's) are apples and oranges.

Looks like you are trying to take 2 apples and add them to 28 oranges and make 30 oranges. Doesn't work that way.
 
#23
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Demon_Vol said:
The entire class can be EE's if you're lucky enough to get them, but you can only back count scholarships equal to the number of scholarships you didn't use for the previous calendar year. For example we used 23 of 25 available last year, and I think we end up with 6 or 7 ee's. We can back count 2 of those scholarships towards last years class allowing us to sign 2 more players for this class.
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That clears up a lot, I was thinking that all ee's were back-counted so I was thinking we had a higher number of scholarships for this year. That ee's can count towards either class makes sense.
 
#25
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triadvolfan said:
One more question, then I'll leave you guys alone.

So if I'm understanding you correctly, ee's can count towards either last year's class or this year's class. So does that mean we can bring in more than 2 ee's this year but some of them will count towards the 2010 class?
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Yes, obviously you want to get as many as can to enroll early and participate in the Spring. The amount that you can backcount is however many short of the 25 enrolled mark you were the previous year. The rest just count towards the current class.

miraclemax said:
Not sure where you picked up the idea that you could back count and add to the 28.

Backcounting applies to the annual 25 scholarship limit. You can push your EE's back if you have room in the prior class.

28 refers to the number you can sign to a letter of intent in a particular class. It's a new rule and the number has nothing to do with the 25 scholarship limit.

Where you would get the idea that you could count back on the 28 is a mystery to me.

Hypothetically, even if you could, there is no shortage from a prior year since the system wasn't even in place from last year to create a shortage.

The two limits (25 scholly's) and (28 LOI's) are apples and oranges.

Looks like you are trying to take 2 apples and add them to 28 oranges and make 30 oranges. Doesn't work that way.
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I'm really struggling with understanding what you are trying to say. The situation I described is accurate. If you have room below the 25 enrolled mark in the previous class you can back count that amount of early enrollees and they count toward the previous class. Like I said, I'm 100% positive of this. The max you can sign in any class is 28. The two we can backcount this year would count towards the 09 class and we can still sign 28 more. Obviously only 25 can enroll.
 
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