PAC-10 vs SEC

[OrangeFrenzy]

Originally posted by milohimself@Aug 26, 2005 2:14 PM
In the Big 12, the big boys can slack off against Baylor and Kansas and still come out with the win. In the ACC, the big boys can slack off against Dook and Wake Forest and still make away with the W's. In the Big Ten, the big boys can slack off against Northwestern and Indiana and still go home happy. In the SEC, the big boys can slack off against Vandy, Kentucky MSU and sometimes even Ole Miss, Arkansas and South Carolina and still walk away with the win. In the Big East, Louisville can slack off against everybody and still win. LOL

My point is, here there's no such thing here as a "built-in" win to the schedule, even for USC. In every one of the Trojans' games last season, they were playing a-game but still nearly got taken down, even by friggin' Stanford. I think when an entire conference can hang with the champs as long as they play up to their potential, and the conference champs happen to be two-time national champs, that speaks volumes.

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And look at that from our perspectives, Milo. We see that as the tops in your conference in constant danger of losing to unranked, also-rans. See what I mean?

It's all going to come down to regional loyalty. Fortunately, we feel we have stats to back ours.

And don't take it so personally. Everyone can't live here in God's country.

 

[milohimself]

Originally posted by OrangeFrenzy@Aug 26, 2005 11:24 AM
And look at that from our perspectives, Milo.  We see that as the tops in your conference in constant danger of losing to unranked, also-rans.  See what I mean?

It's all going to come down to regional loyalty.  Fortunately, we feel we have stats to back ours. 

And don't take it so personally.  Everyone can't live here in God's country. 

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I view what you said as a sign of a conferences strength, if the guys at the top are in danger of losing to any team, but the guys at the top are also that strong.

:lol: Trust me, I don't take it personally. I think the loyalty to football in the south is great. The west coast is just more laid-back, and that's the way I like it.

West coast football is a little different than in the south to be sure but in the end it's football all the same and I think it all ought to get the respect it deserves, but unfortunately respect is something I don't see too often in college football anymore.

 

[OrangeFrenzy]

Originally posted by milohimself@Aug 26, 2005 2:37 PM
I view what you said as a sign of a conferences strength, if the guys at the top are in danger of losing to any team, but the guys at the top are also that strong.

:lol: Trust me, I don't take it personally. I think the loyalty to football in the south is great. The west coast is just more laid-back, and that's the way I like it.

West coast football is a little different than in the south to be sure but in the end it's football all the same and I think it all ought to get the respect it deserves, but unfortunately respect is something I don't see too often in college football anymore.

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Um... You see a PAC 10 fan as a mod on a UT site? :lol:

 

[BeltwayVol]

You don't take it personally, yet you personally come after me for simply stating what I believe. I didn't get personal with you, yet you chose to go there with me....nice.

As for the snoops comment....I stated from the begining of that thread, thats what I was going to do. Do you think it hurts my feelings that you mention that? Grow up. You saying that to ME, is funny considering you and your friends post padding that goes on in so many of the threads here discussing your post totals. You know, not everyone comes on this board to add to a number that means nothing.

As for using Meyer in my comments. As I say in that other thread, my problem with Meyer and the Gatornation isn't that he is an awful coach, it's that they have made him a God, and he hasn't done anything for them yet. They are the ones calling him an Urban Legend. I think he is certainy in the top half of coaching professionals in the NCAA, and when stacked up against Pac-10 talent, he is in the top 3-4 without a doubt.

 

[milohimself]

But I'm a UT fan too, so it all works out.

 

[milohimself]

Originally posted by BeltwayVol@Aug 26, 2005 11:47 AM
You don't take it personally, yet you personally come after me for simply stating what I believe.  I didn't get personal with you, yet you chose to go there with me....nice.

As for the snoops comment....I stated from the begining of that thread, thats what I was going to do.  Do you think it hurts my feelings that you mention that? Grow up. You saying that to ME, is funny considering you and your friends post padding that goes on in so many of the threads here discussing your post totals.  You know, not everyone comes on this board to add to a number that means nothing.

Alrighty.

As for using Meyer in my comments.  As I say in that other thread, my problem with Meyer and the Gatornation isn't that he is an awful coach, it's that they have made him a God, and he hasn't done anything for them yet.  They are the ones calling him an Urban Legend.  I think he is certainy in the top half of coaching professionals in the NCAA, and when stacked up against Pac-10 talent, he is in the top 3-4 without a doubt.

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Beltway, you've got an entire thread you've been running for weeks about how we're going to expose "The Urban Myth" as the terrible coach he is... Yet you turn right around in here and mention him as a reason the SEC is as strong as it is.

 

[BeltwayVol]

I'll try to explain this for the second time.....

I've never said that Tennessee will expose Urban Myth as a terrible coach. Not one time. Period.

What I have said, is that Florida's promotion of him, without him stepping on the field, is a Myth, and that Tennessee will expose that by beating him, and by reminding the Gators that they are in a downturn, and one man will not simply make them world beaters.

Please stay on topic though. This thread is about the SEC's domminace over the Pac-10 as a National Conference.

 

[OldVol]

Milo,

Please point out where I was disrespectful to the Pac 10.

If pointing out numerical facts that disspell the notion that the Pac 10 is near the strenght of the SEC then so be it.

I'm not a fan of the Pac 10 but neither do I have any grudge or bone to pick with them either.

It's strange that with almost every repsonse you make to me you inject some personal flame like: "as illogical as it may seem to you, OldVol." Or as you began your dig at me in the turf or grass thread, "Not that you'd know ...."

It really doesn't further your point to make such personally insensitive statements. Personal attacks are usually the last resort when someone has lost an argument.

 

[BeltwayVol]

Didnt think I was the only one noticing that.

Guess our problem is, we just don't agree with him.

 

[SoCalVol]

Originally posted by OldVol@Aug 26, 2005 4:10 PM
It's strange that with almost every repsonse you make to me you inject some personal flame like: "as illogical as it may seem to you, OldVol." Or as you began your dig at me in the turf or grass thread, "Not that you'd know ...."

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I don't have any idea about the previous possible personal comments, but I did no read "as illogical as it may seem to you, OldVol." as all that personal. You told him that it was difficult to defend the Pac-10 according to the numbers you provided. He's saying the numbers don't tell the whole story. Where's the flame?

As for Beltway, I do think it is a little ridiculous that you've gone to great lengths to "expose the Urban Myth" and then label him as a strength to the conference. And then you defend it by saying he's one of the top half of coaches in the country. That makes him a strength in the super powerful SEC?

And for Milo, I happen to think your analysis of the Pac-10 is rather flawed. You said, even if USC brings their A-game every week, there are still close games. Isn't it a hell of a lot more likely that USC is breezing through some games just like the powerhouse programs in other conferences? And besides, what is the point of labeling games as USC's A-game when they are capable of playing so much better then that. What I mean by this is, they absolutely destroyed Oklahoma, one of the top 3 teams in the country. That was an A-game. You mean to tell me they played that well against every opponent they had? Or for that matter, any other opponent they had? I think its just as likely that they treated Arizona, Stanford and Washington the same way that we treat our also-rans.

Sorry for butting in where I don't belong, but I felt like some things needed to be said by a somewhat unbiased third party.

 

[BeltwayVol]

Thanks for that. It's always nice to hear/read from others.

Again, you and milo and whoever else can think what you want; it's your right. However, I truly think that Urban is a top half coach. That makes him better than 59 and a half other coaches. That doesn't excatly make him a God in the SEC which is what Florida fans think he is, which is what the thread "exposing Florida's Urban Myth" is all about.

However, he is one of the top 4 coaches in the SEC East. Which is all I said in grouping him with Fulmer, Richt and Spurrier. I happen to think that Miles and Nutt are better than Urban as well, but did not list them, because I was specificly talking about the SEC East.

I also think that Urban could be the second or third best coach in the Pac-10, because of that conference's lack of coaching talent and lack of overall wealth.

It's not a personal slap at milo or anyone else out there, it's simply a fact that SEVERAL people on here seem to have expressed without such a personal responce.

But then again, we all know I'm the bad guy and I deserve everything I get. Rules be damned.

 

[OldVol]

Originally posted by BeltwayVol@Aug 26, 2005 5:08 PM
Thanks for that.  It's always nice to hear/read from others.

Again, you and milo and whoever else can think what you want; it's your right.  However, I truly think that Urban is a top half coach. 

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If he's anywhere near the 59th best/worst coach in the country Florida is in a heap of trouble.

 

[OldVol]

Originally posted by SoCalVol@Aug 26, 2005 4:59 PM
I don't have any idea about the previous possible personal comments, but I did no read "as illogical as it may seem to you, OldVol."  as all that personal.  You told him that it was difficult to defend the Pac-10 according to the numbers you provided.  He's saying the numbers don't tell the whole story.  Where's the flame?

As for Beltway, I do think it is a little ridiculous that you've gone to great lengths to "expose the Urban Myth" and then label him as a strength to the conference.  And then you defend it by saying he's one of the top half of coaches in the country.  That makes him a strength in the super powerful SEC?

And for Milo, I happen to think your analysis of the Pac-10 is rather flawed.  You said, even if USC brings their A-game every week, there are still close games.  Isn't it a hell of a lot more likely that USC is breezing through some games just like the powerhouse programs in other conferences?  And besides, what is the point of labeling games as USC's A-game when they are capable of playing so much better then that.  What I mean by this is, they absolutely destroyed Oklahoma, one of the top 3 teams in the country.  That was an A-game.  You mean to tell me they played that well against every opponent they had?  Or for that matter, any other opponent they had?  I think its just as likely that they treated Arizona, Stanford and Washington the same way that we treat our also-rans.

Sorry for butting in where I don't belong, but I felt like some things needed to be said by a somewhat unbiased third party.

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Some rhetoric is best left off.

I prefer to debate the issues and leave personalities out of it.

Just because I slam a program that is dear to someone's heart does not mean it is a personal slam against an individual. Programs, head coaches, and arrogant players are pretty well open game.

Points of view can be conveyed far more effectively if they're done so without trite comments.

I'm certainly tough enough to take it, and can dish it out if need be, but I've found civil discourse always makes for more enjoyable bebate.

 

[U-T]

The Pac-10 is an average at best conference anyway you slice it. They have one very good team and a slew of average at best others....

 

[volinbham]

As painful as it is to bring it up, our performance against UK and Vandy last year shows that even the "bottom feeders" can bite you in the SEC.

Bottom feeder MSU (eventhough they lost to Maine) beat Florida.

Of the 3 bottom feeders, Vandy is the only one that has been consistently bad. MSU and UK have both had recent winning seasons and bowl caliber (if not eligible) teams.

The Pac-10 doesn't hold the distinction of being "the" conference where there is no let up week. It happens in every conference. Half of the SEC will be in bowl games this year.


Saying the SEC is a tougher conference doesn't mean the Pac-10 is crap. Nothing wrong with loving your conference but facts is facts. eace2:

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by volinbham@Aug 26, 2005 6:12 PM
As painful as it is to bring it up, our performance against UK and Vandy last year shows that even the "bottom feeders" can bite you in the SEC.

Bottom feeder MSU (eventhough they lost to Maine) beat Florida.

Of the 3 bottom feeders, Vandy is the only one that has been consistently bad.  MSU and UK have both had recent winning seasons and bowl caliber (if not eligible) teams.

The Pac-10 doesn't hold the distinction of being "the" conference where there is no let up week.  It happens in every conference.  Half of the SEC will be in bowl games this year.
Saying the SEC is a tougher conference doesn't mean the Pac-10 is crap.  Nothing wrong with loving your conference but facts is facts.  eace2:

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Not to steal the limelight, but I wonder if this discussion would even be taking place if not for the 2003 NC debacle.

 

[OrangeFrenzy]

Originally posted by Atreus21@Aug 26, 2005 10:17 PM
Not to steal the limelight, but I wonder if this discussion would even be taking place if not for the 2003 NC debacle.

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Maybe, maybe not... But it seems to be only taking place here. Even ESPN analysts last night, when talking about USCs schedule said,

"Yah. But it's the PAC 10!"

That was all they had to say. Even the media knows what a weak conference it is.

 

[LadyinOrange]

I didn't mean to start a fight when I posted this topic.

I can't win for losing.

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