Pac-12 commissioner visiting SMU

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SMU Vol said:
Can we please get a UT-SMU home and home set up ASAP?

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I would assume this theoretical matchup would be at JerryWorld for the SMU portion of the deal?
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With a 30k seat stadium, just don't see it happening otherwise
 
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If they're at the point where they are considering adding SDSU, why not look north of the border and add the University of British Columbia ? They need a gimmick like that to survive. SDSU and SMU are just fillers to take up vacancies and don't really bring anything.
 
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Vfl2407 said:
The loss of USC and UCLA may be that conference’s death knell. Even more damaging than the Big12 losing Texas and Oklahoma.
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Which brings up the question of why the B12 doesn't go old school and bring SMU back to their (kinda), roots.

Personally, I would like it.

With NIL, Sherwood Blount (is he even still alive?) could go nuts legally.
 
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dobre_shunka said:
If they're at the point where they are considering adding SDSU, why not look north of the border and add the University of British Columbia ? They need a gimmick like that to survive. SDSU and SMU are just fillers to take up vacancies and don't really bring anything.
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I actually don't think SDSU is that bad of a choice. They're kind of at the same stage Utah was at before they got into the Pac 12 and it's worked out well for them overall. SDSU has been a pretty solid mid-major for a good while.

SMU, yeah that one I don't get.
 
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stolitonic said:
Which brings up the question of why the B12 doesn't go old school and bring SMU back to their (kinda), roots.

Personally, I would like it.

With NIL, Sherwood Blount (is he even still alive?) could go nuts legally.
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I think SMU would be a pretty decent choice for the B12, but it doesn't exactly help them with the markets since they already have TCU in the Dallas/Fort Worth/Arlington market.
 
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If the Pac is going to expand, they should go to 16. Add SDSU, SMU, UNLV, Boise St, New Mexico, and UTSA. That snags all the worthwhile media markets west of Dallas while remaining geographically contiguous. Yeah, they aren't all of the academic profile the Pac likes to flaunt, but they are already looking at SDSU, so that obviously isn't a make or break issue.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I think SMU would be a pretty decent choice for the B12, but it doesn't exactly help them with the markets since they already have TCU in the Dallas/Fort Worth/Arlington market.
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I live less than 15 miles from the SMU campus. While I knew SMU was in the Dallas area, I had absolutely no clue where exactly until I lived here for 2 years or so. Only reason I even figured it out was them having a random Thursday or Friday night game at some point and I was able to kinda tell from the panoramic shots. Of course, I have since been on their campus a few times since then for various reasons.

I have now lived here for well over 15 years. In that time, anything regarding SMU has come up exactly 0 times in random conversations.

To say the Mustangs are not exactly on the tips of the tongues of Dallas area sports fans would be an understatement.

Dallas is kinda weird in general. Probably 75 percent here are Texas or Oklahoma fans with a few random A&M fans here and there. The rest is kinda "everybody else" for lack of a better term. I see as much Tennessee (or for that matter Kansas or UCLA) gear around here as I do SMU memorabilia.

Now, if they got REALLY good again, I'm sure the area would be awash with SMU gear as it was with TCU gear about a month ago. Sherwood Blount better get busy (once again, if he is still walking the earth-been a while since I saw his name on any realty signs here)
 
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Vfl2407 said:
The loss of USC and UCLA may be that conference’s death knell. Even more damaging than the Big12 losing Texas and Oklahoma.
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Big 12 and PAC should just merge.

Baylor
Texas Tech
Oklahoma State
TCU
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Colorado
Arizona
Arizona State
Cal
Stanford
Washington
Washington State
Utah
BYU
Oregon
Oregon State

Maybe toss in:

Boise State
Houston

Honestly that's not that bad all things considered, and composed of all teams west of the Mississippi. Could always still keep/add schools like WVU, UCF, Cincy, etc. if you want a completely national presence.
 
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stolitonic said:
I live less than 15 miles from the SMU campus. While I knew SMU was in the Dallas area, I had absolutely no clue where exactly until I lived here for 2 years or so. Only reason I even figured it out was them having a random Thursday or Friday night game at some point and I was able to kinda tell from the panoramic shots. Of course, I have since been on their campus a few times since then for various reasons.

I have now lived here for well over 15 years. In that time, anything regarding SMU has come up exactly 0 times in random conversations.

To say the Mustangs are not exactly on the tips of the tongues of Dallas area sports fans would be an understatement.

Dallas is kinda weird in general. Probably 75 percent here are Texas or Oklahoma fans with a few random A&M fans here and there. The rest is kinda "everybody else" for lack of a better term. I see as much Tennessee (or for that matter Kansas or UCLA) gear around here as I do SMU memorabilia.

Now, if they got REALLY good again, I'm sure the area would be awash with SMU gear as it was with TCU gear about a month ago. Sherwood Blount better get busy (once again, if he is still walking the earth-been a while since I saw his name on any realty signs here)
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its because you're young. they were huge before the death penalty.
 
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GreveHaller said:
its because you're young. they were huge before the death penalty.
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Yep. And part of the pre-P5 designations as part of the defunct SWC. 4 of those 9 teams pushed into the B12, 1 to the SEC, and the other 4 got sent down to G5. TCU bounced from the old WAC to CUSA to the MWC before finally making back to P5 with the B12. Rice, SMU, and Houston never made it back to P5. Rice is understandable, but SMU and Houston kinda got the shaft in those regards. The WAC disbanded football for a while, and just re-emerged as an FCS football conference.
 
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PA Vol said:
Big 12 and PAC should just merge.

Baylor
Texas Tech
Oklahoma State
TCU
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Colorado
Arizona
Arizona State
Cal
Stanford
Washington
Washington State
Utah
BYU

Maybe toss in:

Boise State
Houston

Honestly that's not that bad all things considered, and composed of all teams west of the Mississippi. Could always still keep/add schools like WVU, UCF, Cincy, etc. if you want a completely national presence.
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Yes that makes sense. But I thought Big12 has already expanded with UCF, Cinn, Houston, and Boise State coming in in 2 years?
 
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They're not going to replace either UCLA and USC as far as prestige. That being said, SDSU is a consistently good basketball program ,and SMU is a solid replacement.
 
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PAC-12 will fold when some combination of Oregon, Washington, Colorado, Arizona, ASU, and Utah jump to the SEC and/or Big 10 before 2030. Adding SMU & SDSU is just delaying the inevitable. Personally, I hope the SEC is again proactive. College Football is heading towards consolidation, and I’d rather have the pick of the litter than the runts. Give me UNC and VT/UVA from the ACC and the top programs from the PAC and call it for the century. Let the Big consolidate the remaining big schools not helpful to the TV footprint (Clemson, FSU, etc).
 
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The PAC 12 was so short sighted not to expand when TX and OU decided they were leaving the Big 12.

They could have added TX Tech, TCU, OK St, Kansas, Iowa St, and West Virginia easily. Kansas isn't a state you need 2 teams in (sorry K State) and Baylor feels a bit too religious for the PAC. Baylor would fit perfectly in the ACC though, IMO.

So if that had happened, when USC and UCLA leave, you have a 16 team conference with teams across all four time zones. So you're not just stuck in the 4pm and later time slots, making your TV deal more valuable. KU and Iowa St are also AAU universities, which means lots of research $$$, which is important to the PAC.
 
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GreveHaller said:
its because you're young. they were huge before the death penalty.
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Ha ! I wish I was young. My knees and back indicate otherwise lol.

My point was this, 40 years is a long time in every sense of the word. I said before that Dallas is "weird" and that is especially true of the football scene. 75% of the people here (including me) are transplants-and the longer I am here the more and more noticeable that becomes.

Hell, 20 years ago my house was a cow pasture-like everything else around here . I remember going to lunch with a customer when I first moved here (mid 00s) and commenting on the multi million $ houses being built along Hwy 121 (basically connects airport to northwestern suburbs) and how developed and upscale the area was He got a good kick out of that, telling me that 10 years before the road was known more for being littered with trailers being used as "massage parlors" and stuff like that

You just don't see many people here generationally as I have seen in most places I have called home throughout my life. Impacts the dynamics of CFB fandom in the area quite substantially. The people here who were probably rabid SMU fans back then are either dead or if they rooted for SMU as kids in the 80s-they probably live elsewhere by now and have been rooting for other teams for decades
 
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PA Vol said:
Big 12 and PAC should just merge.

Baylor
Texas Tech
Oklahoma State
TCU
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Colorado
Arizona
Arizona State
Cal
Stanford
Washington
Washington State
Utah
BYU

Maybe toss in:

Boise State
Houston

Honestly that's not that bad all things considered, and composed of all teams west of the Mississippi. Could always still keep/add schools like WVU, UCF, Cincy, etc. if you want a completely national presence.
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That main list is very solid for a football-oriented conference.
I think it would work better for B-ball if they had sub-conferences with the Pac teams in one bracket and the TX/Midwest team in the other.
Houston fits with this outline very well.
Boise just brings near zero tv audience.

No offense to OP, but SMU doesn't make much sense for the PAC12. I understand wanting a presence in the Dallas/Ft Worth metroplex, but I think they cheapen the brand immensely. UNLV might be marginally better. The tv market is strong and no college football program competes within a very large radius. They are no football powerhouse, but they could get competitive with a major conference membership.

I always thought SMU should have sued the NCAA for hundreds of millions of $$ for destroying their earning potential. It was a borderline RICO/racketeering mentality at the NCAA at that time regarding SMU.
 
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stolitonic said:
I live less than 15 miles from the SMU campus. While I knew SMU was in the Dallas area, I had absolutely no clue where exactly until I lived here for 2 years or so. Only reason I even figured it out was them having a random Thursday or Friday night game at some point and I was able to kinda tell from the panoramic shots. Of course, I have since been on their campus a few times since then for various reasons.

I have now lived here for well over 15 years. In that time, anything regarding SMU has come up exactly 0 times in random conversations.

To say the Mustangs are not exactly on the tips of the tongues of Dallas area sports fans would be an understatement.

Dallas is kinda weird in general. Probably 75 percent here are Texas or Oklahoma fans with a few random A&M fans here and there. The rest is kinda "everybody else" for lack of a better term. I see as much Tennessee (or for that matter Kansas or UCLA) gear around here as I do SMU memorabilia.

Now, if they got REALLY good again, I'm sure the area would be awash with SMU gear as it was with TCU gear about a month ago. Sherwood Blount better get busy (once again, if he is still walking the earth-been a while since I saw his name on any realty signs here)
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You're describing the same experience I had living in the Dallas area in the mid-80's.
 
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stolitonic said:
I would assume this theoretical matchup would be at JerryWorld for the SMU portion of the deal?
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With a 30k seat stadium, just don't see it happening otherwise
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Maybe. Or Cotton Bowl for the State Fair.

For now, OU owes us a return trip in 2027 on campus. That may change
 
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