Pacifism and anarchy

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#27
While pure pacifism might be utopic, I would much rather be closer to that end of the spectrum than we are currently (which I see as the aggressor). Meaning we don't let the guy run around and shoot everybody, but we don't go all Minority Report and take him down because we think he could go all psychopath on us.
 
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#29
If a pacifist stumbles upon a girl getting raped what does he do? Try to talk the guy into stopping? Can't call the cops. (those force using bastards) Maybe try to find a picture of Rosie O'Donnel on your I-Phone to put in front of his face to take the wind out of his sail? (so to speak) Seriously, to allow such a thing when in a position to stop it, by force if necessary, is held by someone as the MORAL thing to do?

I think it is a grand ideal to never think of violence as the "easy" answer. Sometimes though violence is SUPPOSED to beget violence. If a violent act is only to be met with acquiescence then you've got the ultimate predators vs prey environment where literally the worst of us would hold sway over the rest. I'll concede that there may well be a few people who can honestly say they'd rather die than fight for moral reasons. In my view though the majority that set forth that opinion are feigning morality to conceal cowardice.
 
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utvolpj said:
not really, some people need a good punch in the mouth
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If everyone practiced Li according to Confucius, there would be no need to punch anyone :)

In plain English, if everyone treats everyone else with respect instead of being a d***, there would be no need for violence.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
If everyone practiced Li according to Confucius, there would be no need to punch anyone :)

In plain English, if everyone treats everyone else with respect instead of being a d***, there would be no need for violence.
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"EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY!!!" - Jackie Moon
 
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I already said that I am not going to try and defend my pacifism at this time. My reasons are religious and therefore irrelevant to most of you, so it is a pointless exercise.

Unlike virtually everyone that you will meet, I believe it is better to be killed than to kill. You don't get that. I understand. You will never get it, no matter how hard I try to explain. So I won't.

Believing what I believe is not easy. I don't try and hold other people to my standard. Please do not try to hold me to yours.


(you is plural)
 
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PKT_VOL said:
You are making a bold statement while living under the protection of government. I think what you are really referring to, or inferencing I should say, is that excessive government leads to an inequality in the allocation of resources. The economic truth that you are painfully neglecting is that fact that government, even the most laissez-faire government, acts as referee to make sure that all "players" are essentially playing by the rules. Without a governing body of some sort, companies and individuals would have no incentive to conduct business in an above-board manner we are accustomed to in Western culture. It would lead a greater level of inequality of resources; which, would in turn, lead to a greater incentive for force or violence by those "have not's" and consequently for the "haves" to keep what they earned.

Don't get me wrong, as a Libertarian, I agree that excessive government causes the market to be inefficient. However, government has a proper and necessary function in the marketplace.
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Have you ever read any Rothbard?
 
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RespectTradition said:
Unlike virtually everyone that you will meet, I believe it is better to be killed than to kill.
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Strictly by itself this is easier to grasp by others than you might think. There is no shortage of people that have no problem with the "turn the other cheed" principle. Simply die "just because" no so much but the aversion to violence even in the face of it, certainly.

Now try to harm their wife, child or other loved one...different ballgame.
 
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Weezy said:
While pure pacifism might be utopic, I would much rather be closer to that end of the spectrum than we are currently (which I see as the aggressor). Meaning we don't let the guy run around and shoot everybody, but we don't go all Minority Report and take him down because we think he could go all psychopath on us.
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I concur 100%.
 
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RespectTradition said:
I already said that I am not going to try and defend my pacifism at this time. My reasons are religious and therefore irrelevant to most of you, so it is a pointless exercise.

Unlike virtually everyone that you will meet, I believe it is better to be killed than to kill. You don't get that. I understand. You will never get it, no matter how hard I try to explain. So I won't.

Believing what I believe is not easy. I don't try and hold other people to my standard. Please do not try to hold me to yours.


(you is plural)
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How is it possible to understand?

It is outrageous and you pervert christ as a justification.
 
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KiffinKiller said:
you don't have to understand. These are surely not the weirdest set of beliefs you've come across.
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Good grief no, plenty outlandish belief systems out there.

It is truly and official personal irk from a religioys standpoint.

Indy Missionary Baptists and CofC are up there for most arrogant and vile.

It comes down to not knowing jewish law/custom.

Example is eye for and eye, its not literal rather it means compensation for what the eye is worth.

Ill get off my soap box, RT I respect you even though I think you are nuts :)
 
#42
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I'm not exactly sure how you are perverting Christ by being a pacifist.
 
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RespectTradition said:
I already said that I am not going to try and defend my pacifism at this time. My reasons are religious and therefore irrelevant to most of you, so it is a pointless exercise.
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What your religious beliefs are, is your issue. I was merely pointing out the difference between believing something for the sake of the ideal in and of itself (Confucius) and believing in due to a supernatural or metaphysical reason.

RespectTradition said:
Unlike virtually everyone that you will meet, I believe it is better to be killed than to kill. You don't get that. I understand. You will never get it, no matter how hard I try to explain. So I won't.

Believing what I believe is not easy. I don't try and hold other people to my standard. Please do not try to hold me to yours.


(you is plural)
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Actually I do. I am very familiar with Socrates. He is one of my favorite philosophers. I agree with both him and you on this notion. However, this is from a personal (individual) perspective. Not a social or macro aspect which is what the topic is about; anarchy (government in general).

RespectTradition said:
Have you ever read any Rothbard?
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I have not read any of his actual texts.
 
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