Paper suggests that Congress should reconsider biofuels mandates.

[gsvol]

Biofuels are not currently needed in our fuel market. There are potential future benefits of biofuels that include an alternative to petroleum if we need it and a potentially less carbon-intensive fuel if we want to limit CO2 emissions. I am not a huge proponent of pushing biofuels into the market at this point. I can see the benefit of pushing up production, which can enhance research and development, but it's hard to make a case at this point for large volume mandates. Of several companies I have recently talked to about this, it seems most are meeting their mandates through using chicken fat, beef products, etc. to make biodiesel.

So we are pretty much on the same page then and you agree the biofuel mandates should be repealed??

Looking on the bright side, As a result of the deforestation of the Amazon basin, a startling discovery has been made. Hidden from view for centuries, the vast archaeological remains of an unknown, ancient civilization have been found.

One colorful wall mural is thought to be that of

al-Gore's alter ego.

Which one?

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Your link didn't work for me, I was referring to the guy who volunteered for the human hibernation experiment.

Hard times are here for clean-energy boosters,

Bottom line: Legal and technical energy and expertise are being wasted on power sources that can never produce "a meaningful output of energy."

"The Precautionary Principle would seem to imply we act with caution, but as the consensus has passed the 100% tipping point, it no longer applies. This invokes the Post-Cautionary Principle meaning radical, precipitous action is now required. Which is what we've been saying all along, only now we've produced some overwhelming numbers to back us up."

 

[gsvol]

Makes sense...should have said enzymes rather than bugs, I suppose.

How about Jojoba??

150 gal bio-diesel per acre.

What's the problem with that?

 

[TennTradition]

It seems like jojoba produces a very long chain ester, which probably requires some sort of decomposition/cracking for use as a biodiesel. I'm not familiar with it, but it sounds like it can be used. I don't know enough about jojoba to tell you what is better and what is worse.

 

[shootermcgavin7]

Even when some folks come out with a calculation of a more than 1:1 return, it doesn't factor in the soil degradation.

I don't even believe it is 1:1 (although I cannot prove it as fact).

I certainly think that currently, biofuels are inefficient as hell. That normally won't stop people, though.

 

[gsvol]

It seems like jojoba produces a very long chain ester, which probably requires some sort of decomposition/cracking for use as a biodiesel. I'm not familiar with it, but it sounds like it can be used. I don't know enough about jojoba to tell you what is better and what is worse.

Top two problems;

1. Jojoba is so finicky about the weather/soil it needs, it could never be done a a significant scale.

2. Jojoba oil brings $650 a gallon in the cosmetics market.

OK, that was a loaded question.

If America has more coal reserves than any other country and we can produce oil at $60 a barrel from coal and the current market is $80 per barrel, why would we not do that and/or burn coal to produce electricity to fuel electric vehicles??

I see no need to stand on the panic button just yet.

 

[gsvol]

CNBC: "Sometimes in the next few years we're going to have very serious shortages of food everywhere in the world and prices are going to go through the roof."

US Farmers Plant Fewest Wheat Acres Since 1913.

 

[shootermcgavin7]

CNBC: "Sometimes in the next few years we're going to have very serious shortages of food everywhere in the world and prices are going to go through the roof."

I think this is completely nonsense. It is like Jimmy Carter saying we are going to run out of oil in the 1980s.

That said, intentionally allocating resources to biofuel is bound to be inefficient. What a bunch of crap - I think we completely agree here. It is sad that CNBC and CNN and Fox News and MSNBC and WSJ and NYT all screw with alarmism to try to make a point.

 

[gsvol]

I think this is completely nonsense. It is like Jimmy Carter saying we are going to run out of oil in the 1980s.

That said, intentionally allocating resources to biofuel is bound to be inefficient. What a bunch of crap - I think we completely agree here. It is sad that CNBC and CNN and Fox News and MSNBC and WSJ and NYT all screw with alarmism to try to make a point.

That's two thing on which we agree, biofuel mandates are sheer idiocy and animal rights fruitcake commies should be hung up by their thumbs til ripe then boiled in peanut oil.

There is a bit more to projected food shortages than Carter's oil and coal shortages hoax all that was based on outright lies.

I don't embrace the scare headline as presented by the guy in the first link, I think he is into grain futures maybe but it surely is a topic worthy of discussion.

Look what happened to Rhodesia aka Zimbabwe, they went from being the bread basket of Africa to a food importer, the same is presently hapening to marxist South Africa. (recall Stalin's forced famine in the the Ukraine which had always been the bread basket of Europe.)

The small family farm in America is far more likely to become extinct than the Florida Scrub Jay and that is because of US government programs, much of that written by the nutcase enviro lobby that is also behind the biofuel mandates.

I don't know if they lost their heart in San Francisco but they sure as hell lost their mind.

I don't do the grocery shopping around here but isn't cheap factory bread selling for around $2 a loaf???

If it is true we have the least amount of winter wheat planted this year since 1913, then wouldn't you expect the price of bread to rise like the price had yeast in it.

 

[shootermcgavin7]

Look what happened to Rhodesia aka Zimbabwe, they went from being the bread basket of Africa to a food importer, the same is presently hapening to marxist South Africa. (recall Stalin's forced famine in the the Ukraine which had always been the bread basket of Europe.)

We also became a net food importer around five-six years ago.

The small family farm in America is far more likely to become extinct than the Florida Scrub Jay and that is because of US government programs, much of that written by the nutcase enviro lobby that is also behind the biofuel mandates.

I have a feeling we strongly disagree on the reasons surrounding the decline of independent farming.

Curious, when you see extremely rapid increases in concentration and market power in private industry, do you see that as a positive or a negative? (I'm assuming that most people with 'faith' in 'free markets' assume a competitive marketplace).