Pat Forde still at it, Vol fans = disingenuous, A&M = honest

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UTK said:
Let’s be real, vol fans flipped their **** because they knew it would be a terrible hire. Some try to justify it with the Penn state stuff but most of us were just against the hire.
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This is true, and I think is 100% ok. The whole Penn St. thing to me was always a BS excuse and wasn't needed at all. It's fine to say "This guy isn't a good hire." and voice that opinion.

I think TAMU fans are 100% justified in not being fine with Mark Stoops. They just let go a high profile National Championship winning coach, and you're replacing him with a good but not great Kentucky coach who may have already peaked? Seems justified to me.
 
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It's always funny when you see someone argue one thing that is totally the same thing as another is in fact NOT the same thing, and their only evidence is "you know.....because it's not....".
 
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UTK said:
Let’s be real, vol fans flipped their **** because they knew it would be a terrible hire. Some try to justify it with the Penn state stuff but most of us were just against the hire.
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I'd say some of both. Yes he would be a terrible hire. Being against him for coaching reasons was good enough.

But he still had a stink of Penn St. Even though he probably bore zero responsibility for whatever happened. It was a tone deaf choice by Currie. There was no reason to hire a coach of his mediocre standing with anything even remotely questionable like that in his background. I can't remember all the timeframes but I said it was probably unfair to Schiano to be caught up in that a few years back. It still probably is. But for someone that is a meh head coach it should be an automatic nope from an AD.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
This is true, and I think is 100% ok. The whole Penn St. thing to me was always a BS excuse and wasn't needed at all. It's fine to say "This guy isn't a good hire." and voice that opinion.

I think TAMU fans are 100% justified in not being fine with Mark Stoops. They just let go a high profile National Championship winning coach, and you're replacing him with a good but not great Kentucky coach who may have already peaked? Seems justified to me.
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So instead they get a good not great Duke coach.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
In hindsight, we may have been better off hiring Schiano.
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No. While he would have been better than Pruitt, I don’t see his ceiling any higher than 8 wins, with 6 probably being the average. His football is boring and he is just a dick of a human being. His mediocrity would probably still have him here, and program excitement would be low.
Also, F Forde. I am constantly amazed by the complete ineptitude and ignorance (or sheer stupidity) of today’s “journalists”.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I don’t know. With the resources here as opposed to what he has at Rutgers?? I am not so sure. Also, we wouldn’t have been forever labeled as cheaters. How do we know he wouldn’t have won big here?
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You must be kidding. Schiano is a lightweight, and that's being kind.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
No.

He would've done worse than Pruitt. The only question is whether he would've been fired in 2020 (like Pruitt) or 2021.

I also think for all of Pruitt's flaws, he probably brought in better people. We don't get Hooker, Hyatt, or Tillman with Schiano. Jauan Jennings probably never gets back onto the team. Pruitt was bad at cheating and had extremely outdated views on offense (part of the reason Fulmer liked him so much), but Schiano is just "bad".

Also, we still have the same QB. JG is from New Jersey and was friendly with Schiano, so he's still probably QB1 from '18-20; just with fewer receiving weapons.

Schiano's "I'm a Jersey guy" schtick was also never going to work in East Tennessee. Absolutely terrible fit even if you ignore the fact that he's a complete scumbag.
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Agree with most everything except him being worse than Pruitt. I don’t think GA State happens, or a 3 win season. For the program overall, yea, because he would likely still be here, being mediocre and with no excitement about too recruits. No Bama win last year for sure (or last year in general). People would be on here trying to justify 3 star recruits and how they can be 5 star level if coached up (which he also wouldn’t do). He has been pretty mediocre at Rutgers.
 
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AustinMem said:
Agree with most everything except him being worse than Pruitt. I don’t think GA State happens, or a 3 win season. For the program overall, yea, because he would likely still be here, being mediocre and with no excitement about too recruits. No Bama win last year for sure (or last year in general). People would be on here trying to justify 3 star recruits and how they can be 5 star level if coached up (which he also wouldn’t do). He has been pretty mediocre at Rutgers.
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Nah, Schiano wouldn't still be here. Not only would his record on the field not have been great, I don't think he would have recruited well and his personality/disposition would not have played well with the fanbase. He would have lasted 4, 5 years tops.
 
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Volprofch05 said:
I post a screenshot so that you won’t need to click on the link

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It really makes you wonder why Forde is so sympathetic to Schiano. It's one thing to state an opinion in the moment, but here we are 5 years later and he can't let it go. He must have some worries about what would happen to him if some things were found out publicly??
 
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Volfan76 said:
It really makes you wonder why Forde is so sympathetic to Schiano. It's one thing to state an opinion in the moment, but here we are 5 years later and he can't let it go. He must have some worries about what would happen to him if some things were found out publicly??
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Mark Nagi (used to be a Knoxville sports TV guy, wrote Decade of Dysfunction) said that Schiano was well-known (and liked) in media circles for leaking things to the media. When he was HC in Tampa, the NFLPA got enraged at him because they thought he leaked information about Josh Freeman being in a drug treatment program. It's natural for members of the media to like people who provide them with info they can break or put in a story.

Dan Wolken had some kind of a hard-on for him too. Remember he reached out to John Currie, unsolicited, congratulating him on the Schiano hire.
 
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05_never_again said:
Mark Nagi (used to be a Knoxville sports TV guy, wrote Decade of Dysfunction) said that Schiano was well-known (and liked) in media circles for leaking things to the media. When he was HC in Tampa, the NFLPA got enraged at him because they thought he leaked information about Josh Freeman being in a drug treatment program. It's natural for members of the media to like people who provide them with info they can break or put in a story.

Dan Wolken had some kind of a hard-on for him too. Remember he reached out to John Currie, unsolicited, congratulating him on the Schiano hire.
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Maybe, but it just seems more personal than that to still be harping on it. There were several media that jumped on it initially...even herbstreit was running his mouth, but Forde seems to be the only one that can't let it go.
 
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Volfan76 said:
Maybe, but it just seems more personal than that to still be harping on it. There were several media that jumped on it initially...even herbstreit was running his mouth, but Forde seems to be the only one that can't let it go.
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There definitely could be a personal component to it. He doesn't have any real connections with schools that are rivals to Tennessee, but Forde has been around a long time. Maybe someone from Tennessee made him mad a long time ago and he hasn't forgotten about it. Maybe Fulmer? He rarely misses an opportunity to take a shot at him.

I'm pretty confident that Wolken's beef with Tennessee is personal. He's a Vandy grad and wrote for the Commercial Appeal in Memphis for a while before taking his current job.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
This is true, and I think is 100% ok. The whole Penn St. thing to me was always a BS excuse and wasn't needed at all. It's fine to say "This guy isn't a good hire." and voice that opinion.

I think TAMU fans are 100% justified in not being fine with Mark Stoops. They just let go a high profile National Championship winning coach, and you're replacing him with a good but not great Kentucky coach who may have already peaked? Seems justified to me.
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I don't personally think it was okay to justify it with Schiano was just a bad coach so let's use real life events for outrage considering what they were. However,I've mentioned that before on here about my feelings on it and it's a message board and everyone is entitled to their feelings.

He wasn't a good fit,and Tennessee moved forward and have the right guy now. That's what matters.

A&M doesn't like Stoops. They're well within their rights. Go get Elko or find a home run hire. I think that Dabo would be a good hire if he adapts to the portal and NIL.
 
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Really dumb of him to try linking the two situations. Big donors veto possible hires all the time. Our Mike Leach hire would’ve honestly been a better example than Schiano
 
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Forde is a POS. If we hired Schiano, he would’ve still crapped on the Vols it’s what he does.

Think whatever you want but if a guy has that kind of potential skeleton in his closet then he cannot be a coach of a major program. Think what you will of his coaching ability, think he’s innocent of everything but if you’re an AD and that’s a potential landmine in his past history are you putting your name on that hire? That’s the most heinous and deplorable crime imaginable and Schiano even being mentioned as knowing about it makes him unhirable to me.
 
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Schiano was scummy regardless of the Penn State Stuff. Why do people still think he *might* have been better. Granted we've had some real dingleberry coaches here, but if you remember, Schiano was one of these a-hol coaches that didn't believe you stop playing for the victory formation and he had his defense going full bore on a take a knee play. To me, that is mental illness - sort of like the Miami coach that got beat by Georgia tech by not taking a knee this season. Stubborn to the point of being stupid. Forget Penn State, this is more proof he's a "you know what".

OK, realized the NFL wants you to click the link and watch on Youtube rather than here. You can still see it, but one extra step.

 
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BowlBrother85 said:
In the long run, Schiano would have been worse, because he would have been harder to get rid of. He probably would have been consistently 7-5 .... and won just enough to keep his job. Old school hard a$$es are not good fits for Tennessee. He would not have recruited well here at all. It was a terrible fit.

As for Forde, not all Tennessee fans upset with the hire of Schiano were invoking the Sandusky scandal. Forde is mostly just referring to some social media posts, but that in no way speaks for an entire fan base as large as Tennessee's.
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Exactly. Most folks I know just flat didn’t think he was a good enough coach or a fit at UT. To me, two things prove that. One, his tenure at Tampa Bay ended quickly. The players hated him. Two, if he was all that, why didn’t Ohio State hire him when they had an opening? There was a reason they didn’t. Glad he didn’t get the UT job and that’s the end of that. Hiring Cornbread was a separate issue and shouldn’t be confused with the Schiano farce.
 
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AustinMem said:
No. While he would have been better than Pruitt, I don’t see his ceiling any higher than 8 wins, with 6 probably being the average. His football is boring and he is just a dick of a human being. His mediocrity would probably still have him here, and program excitement would be low.
Also, F Forde. I am constantly amazed by the complete ineptitude and ignorance (or sheer stupidity) of today’s “journalists”.
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And bias. Don’t forget that little trait among “journalists” these days. Journalism as it used to be is dead.
 
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