Pat Forde: Tennessee one of the underachieving programs

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ESPN constantly bashing Tennessee is seriously getting old. They dedicated an entire set of paragraphs to embarrass Tennessee, but only a couple lines for everyone else. Does insulting UT bring them additional hits on their website or more subscriptions for their magazine? Either that or half their staff is full of Gators or Bammers.
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His article was pretty amusing. It's hard to take a program seriously when we try to sell pictures of a regular season win... misspelling one of the players name. Selling framed pictures for beating Kansas is pretty small time and, just like Forde called it, indicative of where UT is in regards to basketball.

Add that to misspelling Doug Atkins (College and Pro Football HoF) on his Neyland Stadium Retired Jersey sign... that makes for a pretty embarrassing view towards UT. And justifiably so.
 
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BigOrangeArsenal said:
ESPN constantly bashing Tennessee is seriously getting old. They dedicated an entire set of paragraphs to embarrass Tennessee, but only a couple lines for everyone else. Does insulting UT bring them additional hits on their website or more subscriptions for their magazine? Either that or half their staff is full of Gators or Bammers.
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You have to admit that its a bit novice to send a mass email to people to buy pics of a win in early January (a nice win, to be sure, but its January!) when you haven't made anything of your recent success where it counts, which is in the tourney.

One gets the feeling that the PR folks working within the athletic department are either a bunch of sophomore marketing interns or are at least distant cousins of Summit and Pearl.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Evidently they thought so.
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I was saying "Big Deal" to you. Who cares? It's the first time they've beaten a 1 in TBA, and it had a nice storyline. It doesn't surprise me at all that they are trying to make a little money off of it. At least they didn't make a DVD :clapping:
 
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I didn't think it was within the rules to sell photos of current players like that.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You have to admit that its a bit novice to send a mass email to people to buy pics of a win in early January (a nice win, to be sure, but its January!) when you haven't made anything of your recent success where it counts, which is in the tourney.

One gets the feeling that the PR folks working within the athletic department are either a bunch of sophomore marketing interns or are at least distant cousins of Summit and Pearl.
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How's that UF BB program doing lately? Can you say nosedive?

Forde's opinion=Garbage
 
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TennNC said:
at least forde thinks we have potential.
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Well, that's sort of the point. Tons of unrealized potential.

If Pearl takes another top-10 ranked Vols team into the NCAA tournament and drops out in the second or third rounds, this place is going to once again be littered with threads about how he can't win the big one, choke artist, bad defense-too many 3's, etc.

Fair? No.

But the perception of UT as lately being wasters of some good opportunities isn't helped by the perception that selling these photos is harping on something that only serves to emphasize that it hasn't gotten the job done when it counts.
 
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yont sum iss? said:
How's that UF BB program doing lately? Can you say nosedive?

Forde's opinion=Garbage
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Only someone who thought that the wins earlier this year against a horribly coached FSU team or an overrated (and hurting) MSU team would say that.

Florida isn't in a nosedive. We've sucked all year and will continue to suck throughout the rest of the year, a fact caused primarily by Billy Donovan having delusions that a four or five guard offense can win a lot of college basketball games.

Difference is, most Florida fans have been saying exactly that all year long. UT is selling photos of a shot from a win in January.
 
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I posted that I assume he either got declined by UTK out of high school or is jealous that Missouri is completely irrelevant by comparison to UT in anything. I know he's an alumni because I looked it up assuming he was either a Gator or Bammer homer
 
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yont sum iss? said:
Forde's opinion=Garbage
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Exactly. He lost all journalistic credibility when he failed to excuse himself from reporting on the Rick Pitino/Karen Sypher story for ESPN. How unbiased can you appear to be when you are co-writing a book with Pitino.
 
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lawgator1 said:
UT is selling photos of a shot from a win in January.
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I won't buy a framed pic of Skylar McBee, but I also think you have to separate some marketing folks providing a relic to some adoring fans from the perspective of the coach, its players, and the majority of its fans.

College basketball is overly focused on March IMO. A coach sucks until he gets a Sweet 16, a FF, a Championship. Is Roy Williams that much better now than he was in 2004? How about Bill Self? If Jason Richards hits that three, he's still a massive underachiever, no?

For a good chunk of elite teams, the tourney is a crapshoot. You expect to make it to the second weekend, and then you hope you're playing well enough (and get good matchups) to survive and move on.

But for every program but one, your season ends in disappointment. It's not what you accomplished, but what you could have accomplished. It makes the offseason more frustrating for fans (compared to football), but it doesn't need to be that way.

So I say that Kansas win was big. It was a big ole gigantic band-aid at a time when the team (and its fans) couldn't have used it more. And considering the $h1t that would go down with the former football coaching staff less than 48 hrs later, it helped our (fragile) psyches even more than we knew at the time.

Besides, how many teams can say they beat (better yet, upset) the #1 team in the country, ever? If someone wants to preserve that moment in picture, good for them - they should enjoy it. Because chances are they'll (like 99% of other college bball fans) end the season disappointed, and it would be a shame that they forgot how good they felt on that cold Sunday in January 2010.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Well, that's sort of the point. Tons of unrealized potential.
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I think that is somehow a compliment. When one considers we potentially have lost 4 players for the year... with all the walk ons playing serious time.. Bruce must really be one hell of a recruiter... Can you just imagine how good we would be at full strength. :stinker2:
 
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TennNC said:
I won't buy a framed pic of Skylar McBee, but I also think you have to separate some marketing folks providing a relic to some adoring fans from the perspective of the coach, its players, and the majority of its fans.

College basketball is overly focused on March IMO. A coach sucks until he gets a Sweet 16, a FF, a Championship. Is Roy Williams that much better now than he was in 2004? How about Bill Self? If Jason Richards hits that three, he's still a massive underachiever, no?

For a good chunk of elite teams, the tourney is a crapshoot. You expect to make it to the second weekend, and then you hope you're playing well enough (and get good matchups) to survive and move on.

But for every program but one, your season ends in disappointment. It's not what you accomplished, but what you could have accomplished. It makes the offseason more frustrating for fans (compared to football), but it doesn't need to be that way.

So I say that Kansas win was big. It was a big ole gigantic band-aid at a time when the team (and its fans) couldn't have used it more. And considering the $h1t that would go down with the former football coaching staff less than 48 hrs later, it helped our (fragile) psyches even more than we knew at the time.

Besides, how many teams can say they beat (better yet, upset) the #1 team in the country, ever? If someone wants to preserve that moment in picture, good for them - they should enjoy it. Because chances are they'll (like 99% of other college bball fans) end the season disappointed, and it would be a shame that they forgot how good they felt on that cold Sunday in January 2010.
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Well said :good!:
 
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TennNC said:
I won't buy a framed pic of Skylar McBee, but I also think you have to separate some marketing folks providing a relic to some adoring fans from the perspective of the coach, its players, and the majority of its fans.

College basketball is overly focused on March IMO. A coach sucks until he gets a Sweet 16, a FF, a Championship. Is Roy Williams that much better now than he was in 2004? How about Bill Self? If Jason Richards hits that three, he's still a massive underachiever, no?

For a good chunk of elite teams, the tourney is a crapshoot. You expect to make it to the second weekend, and then you hope you're playing well enough (and get good matchups) to survive and move on.

But for every program but one, your season ends in disappointment. It's not what you accomplished, but what you could have accomplished. It makes the offseason more frustrating for fans (compared to football), but it doesn't need to be that way.

So I say that Kansas win was big. It was a big ole gigantic band-aid at a time when the team (and its fans) couldn't have used it more. And considering the $h1t that would go down with the former football coaching staff less than 48 hrs later, it helped our (fragile) psyches even more than we knew at the time.

Besides, how many teams can say they beat (better yet, upset) the #1 team in the country, ever? If someone wants to preserve that moment in picture, good for them - they should enjoy it. Because chances are they'll (like 99% of other college bball fans) end the season disappointed, and it would be a shame that they forgot how good they felt on that cold Sunday in January 2010.
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If we are talking teams in the six big conferences, I'd guess around 60-70 %. Its simply not that rare. Happened again with Texas just hours ago.

I could not disagree with you more about too much emphasis on the tournament. I love the sudden death aspect of it, the news that a team everyone was worried about is shockingly out, the injustice of a bad call at the end of a game, or better yet overcoming the call, the player on a national stage making a mistake about how many time outs his team has.

I get bored with the NBA in January, with MLB in June, and with the NCAAB in January.

What you wrote sounds good, but take a look at the level of excitement and interest that the NCAA tourney generates every year. Its huge. Not because of who beat the #1 team two months before, but because of who is making an unexpected run and who failed to live up to expectations.

If your team had ever made a deep run, you'd be saying the same thing, instead of a rationalization that bottoming out in the stretch run is okay because you led the mile-long race 400 yards into it.
 
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there are several prints from football (even regular season wins), but not so many basketball. The Kansas win was a big deal. I'm sure a few of them will be bought (just not by me)

as for a DVD, I'd expect to see one at the end of the season - much like the Miracle of South Bend
 
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CatsQueue said:
Exactly. He lost all journalistic credibility when he failed to excuse himself from reporting on the Rick Pitino/Karen Sypher story for ESPN. How unbiased can you appear to be when you are co-writing a book with Pitino.
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Forde is a poor excuse for human life, let alone unbiased journalism. He and Jerry Tipton can both go join a circle jerk somewhere where its hot, if you get my meaning.
 
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lawgator1 said:
If Pearl takes another top-10 ranked Vols team into the NCAA tournament and drops out in the second or third rounds, this place is going to once again be littered with threads about how he can't win the big one, choke artist, bad defense-too many 3's, etc.
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No, if Pearl takes a top-10 ranked team into the NCAA Tournament and loses in the second or third round, I'm going to say what I have said the other two times he did that. I'm going to say, "look at that team's roster, and please explain to me how in the hell that team finished in the top 10 in the first place!"

Tennessee is historically an underachieving program. Until the 2000s, the all-time record for wins by a Tennessee team was only 22--and one of the two teams that won that many did so by winning four games in the NIT. But the teams that have played under Pearl, with the exception of last year, have overachieved relative to the talent they had.
 
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jhall014 said:
I posted that I assume he either got declined by UTK out of high school or is jealous that Missouri is completely irrelevant by comparison to UT in anything. I know he's an alumni because I looked it up assuming he was either a Gator or Bammer homer
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:lolabove::birgits_giggle:
 
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Big deal! Is it really news to anyone here that Tennessee's basketball program has been irrelevant forever? CBP has the Vols headed towards respectability. Even if they do make the final four this year, with the talent they have on the roster, it will be an OVERacheivement!

Unless you were in Kentucky, basketball has historically been a second tier sport in the SEC. Six of the twelve SEC schools have never made the final four. One of them is Alabama. Do you really think they care???

By the way, what University does not have a marketing department cranking out "buy this crap" blitzes? I hope there are thousands of fans out there willing to cough up $215 to buy a pic of Skylar dropping the 3-ball. That is just more cash in the coffers to better the program.
 
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