Pat Forde: Tennessee one of the underachieving programs

#27
#27
Good grief, Bammer is creating a painting of the block of a field goal in a regular season game over a team that finished 7-6 in a year they won the MNC. The UK win is at least likely to be our biggest win of 2010 (I won't be buying this pic by the way, I agree that it is weak).
 
#28
#28
A recap of Pat Forde's comments over the last two weeks referencing Tennessee athletics:

From Chat as already posted here-
keith (rockford)
would Bruce Pearl have your "Coach of the Year" vote as of now?

Pat Forde (3:21 PM)
Keith: Um, no. How about Frank Martin? Jim Boeheim? Dave Rose? Bo Ryan? Jamie Dixon?
Agree with the poster who asked the question - where would those guys be with 40% of the production gone?


The Underachiever Call Out Article that started this thread. Too much to repost. Agree with him on not spelling names correctly...probably never happens on ESPN.com articles but it is weak.

From his article on 1/12/10:
"Who wouldn't prefer coaching the flagship school in the Pacific-10 to coaching what is no better than the fourth- or fifth-best program in the murderous SEC? Who wouldn't prefer the recruiting backyard of Southern California to East Tennessee? Who wouldn't prefer the beach to the boonies?"

I'll leave it to the VolNation to answer these questions.

As for Forde, I'm done. Call out a school for selling some pictures over a big win (if the demand is there and it is legal, do it)....just don't forget your column is called Forde Minutes and counts up to 40 things in it (that's not deserving of a call out?.....Um, yes it is).
 
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#29
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lawgator1 said:
If we are talking teams in the six big conferences, I'd guess around 60-70 %. Its simply not that rare. Happened again with Texas just hours ago.

I could not disagree with you more about too much emphasis on the tournament. I love the sudden death aspect of it, the news that a team everyone was worried about is shockingly out, the injustice of a bad call at the end of a game, or better yet overcoming the call, the player on a national stage making a mistake about how many time outs his team has.

I get bored with the NBA in January, with MLB in June, and with the NCAAB in January.

What you wrote sounds good, but take a look at the level of excitement and interest that the NCAA tourney generates every year. Its huge. Not because of who beat the #1 team two months before, but because of who is making an unexpected run and who failed to live up to expectations.

If your team had ever made a deep run, you'd be saying the same thing, instead of a rationalization that bottoming out in the stretch run is okay because you led the mile-long race 400 yards into it.
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First off, 60-70% of teams do not beat the #1 ranked team. So far this year, Kansas St. and Tennessee are the only two to do that to my knowledge. Those 2 don't equal 60-70% of teams.

As for March, as a fan I've been on both sides - one where my alma mater (Davidson) exceeded expectations with a pretty remarkable run in the tourney, and the other where my hometown team (UT) didn't go as far as I expected. And neither was a true indication of the team's performance during the course of the season overall. Each was a case of the team getting hot and clicking (or not) at that time. That's March - it rewards a lot, but it doesn't reward the other 30 games prior to it. And if it were your ONLY barometer for success, every team but one is a loser.

To yours and Hat's and anyone else's points about the games that matter - what's the point of a regular season? Hell, what's the point of us paying one lick of attention to any home or away games? Just pay attention to what teams do in neutral court games, because that's the only real indication of what will happen come March. Wonder why fans don't see it the same way?

Put another way, if college football ever implements a playoff, will we stop caring about beating Alabama or Florida, even if one of those teams is ranked #1 at the time?

OF COURSE March is the biggest stage, and I agree with all the drama you write about it. But amid our obsession with March Madness, we're seemingly completely devaluing and undermining any regular season accomplishments. As a fan, I choose not to view it that way.
 
#30
#30
TennNC said:
To yours and Hat's and anyone else's points about the games that matter - what's the point of a regular season?
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The same as it is in the NBA: To sell some tickets, provide TV programming, and allow teams to earn the right to play in games that really matter.
 
#31
#31
hatvol96 said:
The same as it is in the NBA: To sell some tickets, provide TV programming, and allow teams to earn the right to play in games that really matter.
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so why do you take the time to post re-caps on games that don't really matter?
 
#34
#34
I live in Louisville. A few years ago I drove to Charlotte with my wife to watch us go down in flames against the Cards. Often, any discussion with the Cards fans I work with ends up with some snide remark about the banners in TBA having a light blue tint. Just as often, though, they end it with a comment about them beating our behinds in Charlotte. Either way I pretty much have to bow out at that point.

Conversely, how many of us have given UK football fans a hard time about the streak (despite the lack of championships lately)? How many of us read the thread a week or so ago and smiled at the thought of Allan Houston missing a free throw and the Vols somehow managing to beat that UK squad?

I guess my point is this: college sports is certainly about postseason play, making money, etc. But, it is also about every game being a chance to rub a victory in the face of a Bulldog, Gator or Wildcat. I want a championship (or Final Four even) as much as anyone. But, as a fan of the Vols I refuse to accept the premise that it doesn't matter if I can go into work Monday, February 15 and have a little fun with some UK fans.
 
#35
#35
I guess this means that UT football is small time as well because if you look at the UT photo store there's about 10,000 pictures like this of football games.
 
#36
#36
BigOrangeArsenal said:
ESPN constantly bashing Tennessee is seriously getting old. They dedicated an entire set of paragraphs to embarrass Tennessee, but only a couple lines for everyone else. Does insulting UT bring them additional hits on their website or more subscriptions for their magazine? Either that or half their staff is full of Gators or Bammers.
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Stop.
 
#37
#37
TennNC said:
First off, 60-70% of teams do not beat the #1 ranked team. So far this year, Kansas St. and Tennessee are the only two to do that to my knowledge. Those 2 don't equal 60-70% of teams.

As for March, as a fan I've been on both sides - one where my alma mater (Davidson) exceeded expectations with a pretty remarkable run in the tourney, and the other where my hometown team (UT) didn't go as far as I expected. And neither was a true indication of the team's performance during the course of the season overall. Each was a case of the team getting hot and clicking (or not) at that time. That's March - it rewards a lot, but it doesn't reward the other 30 games prior to it. And if it were your ONLY barometer for success, every team but one is a loser.

To yours and Hat's and anyone else's points about the games that matter - what's the point of a regular season? Hell, what's the point of us paying one lick of attention to any home or away games? Just pay attention to what teams do in neutral court games, because that's the only real indication of what will happen come March. Wonder why fans don't see it the same way?

Put another way, if college football ever implements a playoff, will we stop caring about beating Alabama or Florida, even if one of those teams is ranked #1 at the time?

OF COURSE March is the biggest stage, and I agree with all the drama you write about it. But amid our obsession with March Madness, we're seemingly completely devaluing and undermining any regular season accomplishments. As a fan, I choose not to view it that way.
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Well said.
 
#38
#38
Every time someone mentions Pat Forde

... this is what I think of

clown-shoes.jpg
 
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