Paterno wants 12th team and Championship Game

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**ORANGEBLOOD** said:
They will eventually. ND will join a conference.
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ND will not enter a conference until one of teo things happen:

1) They are forced to

2) NBC or CBS or whatever station it is that is DUMB enough to pay to carry all their incredible games against the military teams, figures out they are paying to televise a team that is still living off of what they did under freakin Lou Holtz, and is no more than a mediocore has been, with a fan base that has sunk to a never before experienced low of BRAGGING about beating HAWAII.

I know there are lots of people in the South that hate OSU (or basically all B10 teams) cause they think they are overhyped.....but ND is EASILY the most un-deserving hyped team year in and out. Makes me sick.
 
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droski said:
the pac-10 plays EVERY TEAM. if they pulled a big-10 and only played 8 league games i'm sure the pac-10 would have had more bcs bowls and a higher % of teams in bowls (like the SEC does).
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The PAC 10 doesn't get more teams in BCS bowls because they don't usually have a second team good enough to play in a BCS bowl.
 
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1. Notre Dame- Notre Dame is most logical choice. They have a football philosopy and traditions similar to current Big 10 schools. ND also has an ongoing rivilary with Michigan, Michigan St, and Purdue. 2. Pitt- Pitt would be the best second choice. They have a rivilary with Penn St but do to PSU not wanting a home-n-home deal with Pitt the rivilary was discontinued (Coach Pa said in an interview that due to alumni wanting PSU to play more teams from other region of the country, that PSU could not do a home-n-home series with Pitt, due to having to many away games in a season, but PSU would do a 2 to 1 series with Pitt but of course Pitt refused.) With Pitt being the 12th team the rivilary could resume . 3. West Virginia-WVU is my third choice. West Virginia borders both Ohio and Penn, so geographically speaking it is possible. Also WVU has an established football history and tradition. Played for the MNC in '88 and went undefeated in the regular season in '93.(was demolished by Florida in the Sugar Bowl) 4. Louisville/Cincinnatti- These two are tied for my last choice. They both are up and coming programs. Louisville is the more establish but Cincinnati is located in Ohio and could establish an in-state rivilay with OSU.
 
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orangestorm said:
I always kinds felt that Iowa State was more of an afterthought in the Big 12, there is not any rivalry with any of the other schools and it's kind out there from Texas and Oklahoma. I have no idea why they did not add TCU when they first formed the Big 12, it would have been a better addition than Baylor has been.
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At the time of the Big 12 being conceived, Baylor was the better team. Baylor was constantly in the top 25 and TCU was just as bad SMU which was pretty bad. I also heard of rumor it had something to do with politics, Ann Richards (D-governor of Texas) used her influence and requested Baylor to be admitted with Texas,T A&M, and Texas Tech.
 
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orangestorm said:
I always kinds felt that Iowa State was more of an afterthought in the Big 12, there is not any rivalry with any of the other schools and it's kind out there from Texas and Oklahoma. I have no idea why they did not add TCU when they first formed the Big 12, it would have been a better addition than Baylor has been.

The Big Ten should do something, adding Iowa State would be the best because they already have a good rival in Iowa and their game play fits with the Big 10 more than the Big 12. Noter Dame would work also, but I do not see ND ever dropping their independent label, they make a ton of money because of it.
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While I loathe the 'clones, they are certainly not an afterthought to the Big 12 conference. Iowa State has been part of the precursor to the Big 12 since 1908 ( the MVIAA was originally formed in in 1907), at which it time consisted of ISU, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, and some others. Kansas State joined in 1913, OK in 1919, and OK A&M (OSU) in 1920, etc,

Iowa- Iowa State has always been a great inter conference in-state rivalry ala FSU/UF, USuC/Clemson, UGA/ GaTech, etc. There is no need to make it a conference game.

ISUs inclusion in the Big Ten only makes sense on a map.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
The lil' 11 people I talk with want Missouri to join.
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This would in theory give the Big Ten an increased presence in the St. Louis Metro area. I know Missouri recently balked on a home and home deal with Iowa allegedly over this issue.

It would also make sense geographically.

I still think ND makes the most sense.
 
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herkyvol said:
This would in theory give the Big Ten an increased presence in the St. Louis Metro area. I know Missouri recently balked on a home and home deal with Iowa allegedly over this issue.

It would also make sense geographically.

I still think ND makes the most sense.
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No argument here, but Missouri would give the western big 10 division a Illinois/Missouri rivalry.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
No argument here, but Missouri would give the western big 10 division a Illinois/Missouri rivalry.
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True enough- but the B12 would take a huge hit losing MO with it being smack in the middle of B12 country, not to mention its history in the conference and the recruiting influence given the paucity of metro areas in this part of the country.

I just don't see it happening.

ND has the current rivalries as pointed out by the previous poster, as well as historical rivalries with many of the other B10 a schools.

I love this topic.
 
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Notre Dame will never join the big 11....They make too much money as an independent...Not having to split anything with anybody...I do find it a bit annoying that they will allow their basketball teams to be a member of the big east but not share the wealth of the football team...The Big East are fools for allowing them in the conference just halfway.
 
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Joe Pa speaketh the truth.

I hate to see the OHIO STATE waltz right into the BCS championship game. Same goes for the PAC10.

Big 10 could incorporate Notre Dame and BC (or whoever). PAC 10 could take on Utah and BYU.

Then we have a playoff.

Then it would be football heaven.
 
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volsfan125 said:
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At the time of the Big 12 being conceived, Baylor was the better team. Baylor was constantly in the top 25 and TCU was just as bad SMU which was pretty bad. I also heard of rumor it had something to do with politics, Ann Richards (D-governor of Texas) used her influence and requested Baylor to be admitted with Texas,T A&M, and Texas Tech.
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Baylor is also considered to be a better academic institution than TCU and has a better all-around athletic department, like a very good track program for example.
 
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ND has no reason to join a conference in football.

I could see another case of the Big East getting bullied around again and another big conference try and pick another team out of their conference, say Pitt makes alot of sense, seeing is it could strengthen the BE hold on the state of Pennsylvania.
 
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tvolsfan said:
The PAC 10 doesn't get more teams in BCS bowls because they don't usually have a second team good enough to play in a BCS bowl.
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cal in 04 and 06, asu in 07, and oregon in 05 were better teams than illinios (in particular), michigan, or penn state were when they went as the big 10 #2.
 
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MDBJJC said:
Joe Pa speaketh the truth.

I hate to see the OHIO STATE waltz right into the BCS championship game. Same goes for the PAC10.

Big 10 could incorporate Notre Dame and BC (or whoever). PAC 10 could take on Utah and BYU.

Then we have a playoff.

Then it would be football heaven.
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why should the pac-10 dilute the product by taking on utah and byu?
 
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herkyvol said:
This would in theory give the Big Ten an increased presence in the St. Louis Metro area. I know Missouri recently balked on a home and home deal with Iowa allegedly over this issue.

It would also make sense geographically.

I still think ND makes the most sense.
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Not for ND.
 
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droski said:
cal in 04 and 06, asu in 07, and oregon in 05 were better teams than illinios (in particular), michigan, or penn state were when they went as the big 10 #2.
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The 2004 Cal team that was down like 45-17 at one point against Tech? The 2006 Cal team that UT mutilated? The Arizona State team that lost 3 games and gave up 52 to Texas in the Holiday bowl? The 2005 Oregon team was better than either OSU or Penn State that year?
 
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droski said:
he's pretty dumb. the primary reason why the big-10 has gotten 2 bcs teams most years and has gotten multiple NC chances in recent memory is BECAUSE they don't have a championship game and only play 8 league games. if they had balls they'd play 9 league games at the very least, but that would increase the chances ohio state doesn't go undefeated and some craptastic runner up doesn't get the rose bowl.
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Word.
 
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