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Doug Mathews on his Nashville radio show painted a different picture.

He said Summitt's son requested a meeting with Hart this past March to discuss his mother's future with the program.

Summitt, her son, and possibly some of the basketball staff met with Hart. She had three things she wanted to discuss with him.

1. She would step down as coach if Warlick replaced her.
2. Make sure she received a $1 million payout for 40 years as coach (at that point she was two short at 38 years).
3. Retain some relationship in the operation and coaching of the team.

Mathews was told that Hart readily agreed to the three items -- no problem.

Hart did tell them in the meeting that he was having insubordination problems with Jennings. He knew Jennings was tight with Summitt so he wanted her to know his issues with Jennings. Summitt agreed with Hart that she wouldn't tolerate insubordination in her staff so she understood his problems with Jennings.

So they initiated the Summitt bequeath to Warlick.
 
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Glad to hear the truth. Too bad we can't get that out of politicians. Too much hot air from them.
 
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Doug Mathews on his Nashville radio show painted a different picture.

He said Summitt's son requested a meeting with Hart this past March to discuss his mother's future with the program.

Summitt, her son, and possibly some of the basketball staff met with Hart. She had three things she wanted to discuss with him.

1. She would step down as coach if Warlick replaced her.
2. Make sure she received a $1 million payout for 40 years as coach (at that point she was two short at 38 years).
3. Retain some relationship in the operation and coaching of the team.

Mathews was told that Hart readily agreed to the three items -- no problem.

Hart did tell them in the meeting that he was having insubordination problems with Jennings. He knew Jennings was tight with Summitt so he wanted her to know his issues with Jennings. Summitt agreed with Hart that she wouldn't tolerate insubordination in her staff so she understood his problems with Jennings.

So they initiated the Summitt bequeath to Warlick.

Here's my beef with this theory. In the affadavit Summitt states, I believe on two occasions, that the first meeting was "one on one".

The Matthews scenario might make sense for the second meeting, but I don't think it explains the initial meeting.
 
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Here's my beef with this theory. In the affadavit Summitt states, I believe on two occasions, that the first meeting was "one on one".

The Matthews scenario might make sense for the second meeting, but I don't think it explains the initial meeting.

I believe Hart probably said something about his concerns with her ability to coach anymore. Which she took at 1st as maybe pushing out. He then came back to explain he was concerned but not pushing her out. Heck i love her but had some concerns about her ability to coach. It was sad that last year to watch her!! Once he explained his stance better she was fine with it. I hope that's how it went anyway!!!!
 
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I believe Hart probably said something about his concerns with her ability to coach anymore. Which she took at 1st as maybe pushing out. He then came back to explain he was concerned but not pushing her out. Heck i love her but had some concerns about her ability to coach. It was sad that last year to watch her!! Once he explained his stance better she was fine with it. I hope that's how it went anyway!!!!

I have several questions regarding what Hart was thinking from a "process" point of view.

1) Why initiate a meeting with Pat Summitt at that time, the day the team was to leave for the NCAA Tournament?

2) Whose idea was it to do so, his or his superiors?

3) If you, being a new AD, on the job roughly a year, are going to have a discussion with a legendary coach and icon who happens to have dementia, or EOD...wouldn't it be smart to protect yourself? Wouldn't you want a witness to the meeting, wouldn't the President or the Chancellor want/need to be there? This is not some random soccer coach, not even your average basketball coach. I think it's fair to say it's an unprecedented predicament and while I'm sure it's within his job description to discuss these types of matters with those under his supervision, it seems to lack a sensitivity to the situation.

In Summitt's affadavit, in the amended complaint, she refers to the first meeting as "one on one". Tyler Summitt is a witness to that affadavit according to the amended complaint.

4) Why not wait until after the tournament? Why not wait to see if CPS would initiate a conversation regarding her status? Seems it would have saved Hart some grief.

5) Is the sole reason for the second meeting a direct result of Jenning's comments in the e-mail to Hart regarding reconsidering his decision regarding CPS?
 
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Think this is really what happened with Pat last visit with Hart.....still think Pat is happy now with giving up her HC job....she is as much connected to team now, as she was last year!!!!so happy for her
 
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[SARCASM] I do know that Debby Downer only wants what is best for UT and the Lady Vols[/SARCASM]

[LAWYERSPEAK] The signed document is the only thing valid and supports my clients claims.[/LAWYERSPEAK]
 
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I have several questions regarding what Hart was thinking from a "process" point of view.

1) Why initiate a meeting with Pat Summitt at that time, the day the team was to leave for the NCAA Tournament?

2) Whose idea was it to do so, his or his superiors?

3) If you, being a new AD, on the job roughly a year, are going to have a discussion with a legendary coach and icon who happens to have dementia, or EOD...wouldn't it be smart to protect yourself? Wouldn't you want a witness to the meeting, wouldn't the President or the Chancellor want/need to be there? This is not some random soccer coach, not even your average basketball coach. I think it's fair to say it's an unprecedented predicament and while I'm sure it's within his job description to discuss these types of matters with those under his supervision, it seems to lack a sensitivity to the situation.

In Summitt's affadavit, in the amended complaint, she refers to the first meeting as "one on one". Tyler Summitt is a witness to that affadavit according to the amended complaint.

4) Why not wait until after the tournament? Why not wait to see if CPS would initiate a conversation regarding her status? Seems it would have saved Hart some grief.

5) Is the sole reason for the second meeting a direct result of Jenning's comments in the e-mail to Hart regarding reconsidering his decision regarding CPS?

Those are good questions but all are open to innocuous answers. We don't know who initiated the initial meeting with any real clarity or even if there isn't always a meeting at that time of year or if the encounter being described was an official meeting.

Having to have someone to document what happens at a meeting with a coach because of her mental deterioration kind of supports nudging her out. I imagine that you meet with and talk to your coaches a lot and it is impractical to always have someone else present. Hart may not have even planned to broach the subject of retirement for all we know and it may have sprung organically from the conversation or Pat may have been the one to introduce the subject. I believe somewhere along the way it was stated that the purpose of the meeting was to discuss the logo.

If Hart did initiate everything then I guess the timing is an issue but it is his call when the program has had enough uncertainty. We may have been having trouble on the recruiting front or Pat may have been planning to meet with her advisers as soon as she got back and Hart wanted her to have his input or let her know that coming back as coach was not an option. It would be cruel to let her go through the motions of making a decision when the decision had already been made for her. We also don't know that there were no incidents that precipitated the timing. Out of respect to Pat I would not expect those to be aired publicly short of Jennings forcing it into the public by continuing to pursue her suit.

As to what prompted a second meeting we only have speculation. It could very easily have been something as simple as Hart realizing that Pat did not take the proper message away from the original conversation. In that case I don't see him having a beef with Jennings unless it was the way she went about things rather than what she did. For example she could have asked Hart what happened at the meeting and relayed what Pat had thought happened instead of assuming that Pat had the right of it from the start and yelling about lawsuits and violations.

Hart's response in the one e-mail we see from him seems to indicate that Jenning's should have known better than to say the things she said. That implies that he thought she had knowledge or should have had knowledge of things which contradicted what she was claiming. The e-mail I read from Jennings seemed to me to be an attempt to document her version of events. Whether that version comports with reality or not remains to be seen. I thought it was very clear that she was in fear of losing her job and she knew when she wrote the document that it would eventually be released for public consumption. It did not have the tenor or someone addressing their boss over issues from UT's perspective at all.
 
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In Summitt's affadavit, in the amended complaint, she refers to the first meeting as "one on one". Tyler Summitt is a witness to that affadavit according to the amended complaint.

Sounds like this corroborates Doug Matthews' comments. She hasn't done anything without Tyler at her side in at least the last year and I seriously doubt this would be any exception.
 
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Doug Mathews on his Nashville radio show painted a different picture.

He said Summitt's son requested a meeting with Hart this past March to discuss his mother's future with the program.

Summitt, her son, and possibly some of the basketball staff met with Hart. She had three things she wanted to discuss with him.

1. She would step down as coach if Warlick replaced her.
2. Make sure she received a $1 million payout for 40 years as coach (at that point she was two short at 38 years).
3. Retain some relationship in the operation and coaching of the team.

Mathews was told that Hart readily agreed to the three items -- no problem.

Hart did tell them in the meeting that he was having insubordination problems with Jennings. He knew Jennings was tight with Summitt so he wanted her to know his issues with Jennings. Summitt agreed with Hart that she wouldn't tolerate insubordination in her staff so she understood his problems with Jennings.

So they initiated the Summitt bequeath to Warlick.



Would this be the first or second meeting with Hart?
 
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"Tyler Summitt is a witness to that affadavit according to the amended complaint."


I believe Tyler is a witness to her signature only........
 
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Those are good questions but all are open to innocuous answers. We don't know who initiated the initial meeting with any real clarity or even if there isn't always a meeting at that time of year or if the encounter being described was an official meeting.

Having to have someone to document what happens at a meeting with a coach because of her mental deterioration kind of supports nudging her out. I imagine that you meet with and talk to your coaches a lot and it is impractical to always have someone else present. Hart may not have even planned to broach the subject of retirement for all we know and it may have sprung organically from the conversation or Pat may have been the one to introduce the subject. I believe somewhere along the way it was stated that the purpose of the meeting was to discuss the logo.

On these first two points, I'll address from Summitt's affadavit. The meeting regarding the logo was initiated by Pat, who had heard that he was thinking about using the Power "T" for both men's and women's sports. It was not either of the two meetings in question, it was an earlier meeting again at Pat's request. So, we have Pat saying she initiated that meeting and it seems a logical conclusion that she didn't call the other meetings or she would have addressed that in the affadavit in the same manner. We also know the 1st( not the logo meeting) meeting was a "one on one" meeting, so we do know who was there, Hart and Summitt. You are right to say we don't know the purpose, but we do know that Pat came away with an impression and told "Jennings and others" what her impressions were.

If Hart did initiate everything then I guess the timing is an issue but it is his call when the program has had enough uncertainty. We may have been having trouble on the recruiting front or Pat may have been planning to meet with her advisers as soon as she got back and Hart wanted her to have his input or let her know that coming back as coach was not an option. It would be cruel to let her go through the motions of making a decision when the decision had already been made for her. We also don't know that there were no incidents that precipitated the timing. Out of respect to Pat I would not expect those to be aired publicly short of Jennings forcing it into the public by continuing to pursue her suit.

As to what prompted a second meeting we only have speculation. It could very easily have been something as simple as Hart realizing that Pat did not take the proper message away from the original conversation. In that case I don't see him having a beef with Jennings unless it was the way she went about things rather than what she did. For example she could have asked Hart what happened at the meeting and relayed what Pat had thought happened instead of assuming that Pat had the right of it from the start and yelling about lawsuits and violations.

We know the first meeting was at the beginning of the tournament, the second meeting sometime pretty soon after because she would be named Emeritus in less than a month I believe.

As for Jennings, all this hoopla is being generated because, Jennings believes that Hart(on this lone issue), is being retalitory and making Jennings out to be a liar. Pat's affadavit only says that the meeting Jennings refers to did in fact happen and that Pat told Jennings what Jennings reports Summitt said. Further, the affadvit addresses the logo issue and clearly Hart is caught dead to rights on that one. I don't think it's a big deal, but it was an error to tell Pat Summitt one thing and the media something different, and clearly Pat was angered by the fib.


Hart's response in the one e-mail we see from him seems to indicate that Jenning's should have known better than to say the things she said. That implies that he thought she had knowledge or should have had knowledge of things which contradicted what she was claiming. The e-mail I read from Jennings seemed to me to be an attempt to document her version of events. Whether that version comports with reality or not remains to be seen. I thought it was very clear that she was in fear of losing her job and she knew when she wrote the document that it would eventually be released for public consumption. It did not have the tenor or someone addressing their boss over issues from UT's perspective at all.

I agree with most of this, Hart's initial e-mail to Jennings regarding Summitt's status seems like a man that is very angry. He made the comment, paraphrasing here, that it's so ridiculous it didn't merit a response. I bring this up because he uses that line again...when asked about the logo by Hyams at media days, he laughed in a where do you guys come up with this stuff kind of way and then said, it didn't warrant a response and further that it had never been discussed. Obviously, on that issue you can take Hart's word or you can take Summitt's.

I agree she comes off as sombody that was used to doing things her own way, doesn't feel like she should be answering to somebody who is less experienced and that the women's dept. did everything better than the men's. I read the other cases that have been lodged vs. Hart as well as the NCAA/FSU hearing(600+ pages)...the Alabama cheerleader coach doesn't have the lawyer Jennings does imo and Bama tried to have it dismissed, but it's going forward. That scares me, I wish UT would just settle this.
 
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"Tyler Summitt is a witness to that affadavit according to the amended complaint."


I believe Tyler is a witness to her signature only........

Sooooooo, just trying to understand...he stood there while she signed the affadavit but he didn't read what she was signing or have any clue what it was about?
 
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Sooooooo, just trying to understand...he stood there while she signed the affadavit but he didn't read what she was signing or have any clue what it was about?



Basically correct . He is neither disagreeing or agreeing with the affadavit , he witnessing the signature .... I mean really if the first meeting was one to one how would he know ????
 
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Basically correct . He is neither disagreeing or agreeing with the affadavit , he witnessing the signature .... I mean really if the first meeting was one to one how would he know ????

I guess I'm proposing that when Summitt and Jennings say Summitt "told Jennings and others", that it is likely Tyler might have been one of the "others". I say this because all Summitt is saying here is...yes I told Jennings and others etc...which for Jennings' purpose is all she wanted.
 
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No, I didn't mean to suggest that. If he was going to be involved he'd have his own affidavit. Certainly, I would think all parties would want to keep him out of this.
 
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No, I didn't mean to suggest that. If he was going to be involved he'd have his own affidavit. Certainly, I would think all parties would want to keep him out of this.

Certainly no lawyer would want to use Tyler if it would help his case. They would respect the privacy of Pat's family and would never drag them into this.

Debby was fired for cause.... Let her file for unemployment or get another job.

I wish she would move on..............
 
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Certainly no lawyer would want to use Tyler if it would help his case. They would respect the privacy of Pat's family and would never drag them into this.

Debby was fired for cause.... Let her file for unemployment or get another job.

I wish she would move on..............

Hart gave Jennings 3 choices. Retire, be terminated, or resign. She chose retirement, though she prefered to stay which was not one of the three choices. She was not fired for cause.
 
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Hart gave Jennings 3 choices. Retire, be terminated, or resign. She chose retirement, though she prefered to stay which was not one of the three choices. She was not fired for cause.

.............but, wasn't she going to be terminated for cause if she didn't resign or retire?
Just asking.......
 

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