Pearl Harbor

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OrangeEmpire said:
My dad and his best friend were at cracker barrel in Lexington, KY, I grew up there, and japanese tourists were in line also and asked them where the horse park was and my dad's friend replied, you found Pearl Harbor, you can find the horse park!
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My ex-wife was a catering director at a Lexington hotel that booked a Pearl Harbor rememberance dinner and Toyota Christmas party on the same night!
 
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He was a political muckity much, he and Reagan were on a first name basis.

I squirreled it out of him one time and he finally admitting indirectly, that FDR knew the attack was coming.

He would not go as far as saying FDR let it happen, but that other things were more important at the time.
 
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volinbham said:
My ex-wife was a catering director at a Lexington hotel that booked a Pearl Harbor rememberance dinner and Toyota Christmas party on the same night!
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The former Continental Inn??????

Only a Lexington person would get that.....

:birgits_giggle:
 
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#29
my dad's cousin was in WW2 and was a prisoner in the battan (sp) death march. he survived. my dad says that when he would see a japanese man, he would confront him and asks him if they were in WW2 and ask if they were officers in the the unit. his wife had to seperate him from older japanese men quite a few times because he was convinced they were japanese officers and he want to beat them up.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
What about the Prince of Wales and Repulse?

What about Churchhill withholding critical information for 5 months?
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What do you think of the Lusitania?

Churchill's withholding of information or not had nothing to do with what we knew ourselves and as a matter of fact our embargo of Japan was an act of war. (as was shipping arms on the Lusitania was a violation of the neutrality act that technically was a declaration of war on Germany in WWI.)

Since you seem predisposed to make humorous remarks, here is my pet theory about Pearl Harbor.

This much is known fact; The Japanese fleet that attacked Pearl Harbor first sailed many thousands (maybe hundreds) of miles toward the middle east under radio silence with sealed orders and when it came time to open the sealed orders they were in some of the most dangerous straights in all the oceans sailing directly away from Hawaii.

The Japanese Admiral, Yamamoto Isoroku, opened his sealed orders and found that he was supposed to attack Hawalli, (the capital of Kuwait) in order to obtain for the Japanese Imperial Forces, control of the Persian Gulf and the petroleum supplies that Japan so desperately needed to carry on it's war efforts of dominating China and southeast Asia.

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You know how hard it is to read those characters that the Japanese use to write with I assume, (especially at night under those little red reading lamps). The Captain asked the Admiral what the message said and he replied; "About face, we go bomb Honoruru!!!!"

And the rest is history, which is and has been a series of accidental happenings that don't make much sense since cave man days.

For instance, did you know that Columbus almost discovered America because of a game of chess???

We wouldn't know this except that the Spanish have the most detailed archives in the world that date back farther than most archives and also we have people like Sandy Burglar who hide stuff from our own archives in their socks and then put them under Dempster Dumpsters for safe keeping so that mice don't get into them and chew them up and make little mouse nests to raise their little meeces in while languishing unread in our national archives.

Any way in a letter from the Prime Minister of Spain to his cousin that is to be found in the extensive Spanish archives and retold in a book titled; 'history of chess' authored by Levi, he retells how he pulled off getting the boats for Columbus to sail to the East Indies but which ended up in the West Indies (see another accident of history right there it is), he had, (after Colombo had despaired of convincing Ferdinand to fund his wild goose chase and departed with a caravan back to his home in Genoa, which was about to be repossessed because he had been out chasing after a wild idea instead of going to work everyday and making his house payments) went
to Isabella (I'm talking about the Spanish PM) and convinced her that if she could convince King Ferdinand to fund the voyage she could have all the neat East Indian spices she wanted and cook up some really diliscous meals that would keep the king from distracting himself with things like making war with France and playing chess etc. (you know how women sometimes are looking for more attention from their man and enjoying watching him enjoy the fruits of her hard labor in the kitchen?? Well most of the time to be truthful.)

So being convinced, Isabella accompanied the PM into the chambers of the king and found him playing a game of chess with the court jester and being in a rather dire position at the board.

I could set the board up to duplicate that maybe, it's been a long time.

The king's position was thus; he could check with a knight but even at that he was faced with a one move checkmate by the court jester which was sure to bring lots of laughs from the court hangerongers and considerable embarrassment to the king.

The king could move out of his position but he needed two moves to do so to avoid being checkmated and was at a loss as what piece to move.

The PM, being a rather good player himself saw at once the solution to the problem and leaned over and whispered into Isabella's ear (he and Isabella were rather close if you catch what I mean), what the king could do to win.

The winning combination required the king making two rook sacrifices involving checks of the jester's king that forced replies of accepting the sacrifices.

On the back row of the Jester's position, he had only his king and a rook. Ferdinand could check and lose a rook, check again and lose another rook but the real purpose of those moves was to uncover one of the king's bishops which guarded the only safe square of retreat of the jester's king when Ferdinand then (after the two rook sacrifices) checked with his knight!!!!

Finally Ferdinand raised his hand to more the wrong piece but Isabella kibitzed; "what m'lord, you win!!!" and after a bit of thought Ferdinand saw the right sequence of moves and won the game, checkmating the jester and made him do a bunch of silly stuff to entertain the hangeronongers while the king gloated at his own superiority of intellect and during this bit of revelry with included uncorking several bottles of Mateus wine that had been captured from a slow sailing Portuguese galleon, the PM and Queen Isabella convinced the king that Columbus would be successful and so they sent a fast rider to catch up with the caravan, bring Columbus back and the rest is history.

And don't dismiss my theory of either a Japanese typo or Admiral Isoroku misreading his secret missive since you misspelled Churchill yourself.

The truth is we will never really know the truth since the
orientals are sooooo into saving face and the admiral wouldn't admit to making a mistake and the guy who typed up the secret message wouldn't admit to making a typo on his new Japanese Underwood typrewriter either.:unsure:
 
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#34
Churchhill let the Lusitania be attacked.............

The Japanese attachment sent to take the middle east was their 55th Imperial Division led by Lieutenant-General Torazo Ishimoto.

You really need to get a grip on history...... it is quite sad.
 
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JZVOL said:
I wonder what the Japanese think about Pearl Harbor?
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Probably thought it rather successful since about half the population of Hawaii now is of Japanese extraction.

OrangeEmpire said:
My dad and his best friend were at cracker barrel in Lexington, KY, I grew up there, and japanese tourists were in line also and asked them where the horse park was and my dad's friend replied, you found Pearl Harbor, you can find the horse park!
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Same thing was told me by a songwriter (a one hit wonder, meaning he only ever wrote just the one hit song) who was with Waylon and Willie (who had recorded his song) in New York to accept some sort of award and decided to visit Time's Square. (I think that was the first time any of the had been there.)

At any rate a Japanese tourist came up and asked directions to the Statue of Liberty and Willie (having no idea where it was himself) replied; "You didn't have any trouble finding Pearl Harbor, find it yourself."

(I think that's one of the main reasons Japanese tourists like to ask where to find stuff, they probably get that a lot.)
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Churchhill let the Lusitania be attacked.............

The Japanese attachment sent to take the middle east was their 55th Imperial Division led by Lieutenant-General Torazo Ishimoto.

You really need to get a grip on history...... it is quite sad.
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Did you ever stop to think if it hadn't been for a Japanese typo we would be driving Texacos and Exxons and buying our gas at Toyota and Nissan service stations??

BTW, what's this thing you have for sienna??
 
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#37
Our friend Rev. Wright appears to have a different memory of December 07, 1941.

"Any preacher who dares to point out the simple ugly facts found in every field imaginable is demonized as volatile, controversial, incendiary, inflammatory, anti-American and radical," Wright said, taking time out to note the thousands of Japanese civilians who died 67 years to the day when American warplane dropped an atomic bomb on Hiroshima. (Actually, Dec. 7 marks the day when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor
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But hey, why let a little thing like facts get in the way of your sermon.

Wright visits Trinity pulpit, lashes media - Chicago Breaking News
 
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gsvol said:
Did you ever stop to think if it hadn't been for a Japanese typo we would be driving Texacos and Exxons and buying our gas at Toyota and Nissan service stations??

BTW, what's this thing you have for sienna??
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Right, you can be silly all you want, The 55th Imperial Division was to secure a corridor between Burma and the Middle East and link up with the Germans but it was foiled on both fronts.

Like I said, you should actually tank a gander at history some time.

:hi:
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Right, you can be silly all you want, The 55th Imperial Division was to secure a corridor between Burma and the Middle East and link up with the Germans but it was foiled on both fronts.

Like I said, you should actually tank a gander at history some time.

:hi:
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Do all jokes go over your head or just most of them??

I made the joke to explain why the Imperial fleet would sail through one the most dangerous straights in the world on their way to attack Pearl Harbor, a little known fact that few historians have addressed and doesn't make much sense.

I'll bet you never have had access to "History of WWII from and intelligence point of view." I have, it is classified 'top secret codeword' by the way, unless it has been declassified sometime, maybe Obamamesiah will declassify that.

Perhaps, just perhaps you shouldn't trip over your oversized ego in your attempts to proclaim my assumed ignorance sir.

:hi:

ps; You can be silly all you want too, you usually are, even when you aren't trying, you certainly don't need my permission, nor I yours for that matter.

pps; Would federal law require I use steel shot when tanking ganders, or is that just on federal waterfowl reserves???
 
#41
#41
that's the first time in the history of VN that someone has pulled the "I've read something reliable that you can't even get your hands on" trick. Pretty impressive since there is essentially no potential response.

I'll have to remember that one.
 
#42
#42
GS, other than that "Top Secret" book you mentioned, where on planet earth do you come up with this stuff from. My Google< your Google.
 
#43
#43
gsvol said:
Do all jokes go over your head or just most of them??

I made the joke to explain why the Imperial fleet would sail through one the most dangerous straights in the world on their way to attack Pearl Harbor, a little known fact that few historians have addressed and doesn't make much sense.

I'll bet you never have had access to "History of WWII from and intelligence point of view." I have, it is classified 'top secret codeword' by the way, unless it has been declassified sometime, maybe Obamamesiah will declassify that.

Perhaps, just perhaps you shouldn't trip over your oversized ego in your attempts to proclaim my assumed ignorance sir.

:hi:

ps; You can be silly all you want too, you usually are, even when you aren't trying, you certainly don't need my permission, nor I yours for that matter.

pps; Would federal law require I use steel shot when tanking ganders, or is that just on federal waterfowl reserves???
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1.) No, I just respond to stupid ones that are not funny.

2.) Why wouldn't I have access?

3.) I am the one who has a problem?

:eek:k:
 
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#47
BigPapaVol said:
that's the first time in the history of VN that someone has pulled the "I've read something reliable that you can't even get your hands on" trick. Pretty impressive since there is essentially no potential response.

I'll have to remember that one.
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Ego deflation can be your friend.

There are plenty of potential responses.

Remember this one;

Once there was a little bird in the far north and when the rest of the flock decided to fly south for the winter, said the weather was so nice he would just stay on for a couple of more weeks and when the north wind began to blow hard and the temperature began to fall, (as it is today here) he began his migration south.

Soon though he was overtaken by a strong winter storm and eventually his wings iced up and he was forced to land and as luck would have it landed in a cow path in a cow pasture and was soon covered with snow.

As he was about to succumb to the elements a cow came down the path and as she stepped over the little hump in the snow, raised her tail and left a nice juicy patty right on that very spot.

It a little while the warm excrement melted the snow and warmed the little bird and he began to clean himself and continue his journey to more hospitable climes.

As he was doing this there happened to pass an old bobcat, out in search of an evening meal and seeing the movement in the cow path, came over and pounced on the little bird, cleaned it off and ate it for an appetizer.

The moral of the story?? "Not all those who crap on you are your enemy and not all those who take crap off you are your friend."

This is what the LORD says: "Let not the wise man boast of his wisdom or the strong man boast of his strength or the rich man boast of his riches, but let him who boasts boast about this: that he understands and knows me, that I am the LORD, who exercises kindness, justice and righteousness on earth, for in these I delight," declares the LORD.
(Jeremiah 9:23-24)


TXVOL07 said:
GS, other than that "Top Secret" book you mentioned, where on planet earth do you come up with this stuff from. My Google< your Google.
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Uh, personal experience, patience, answered prayers and being a good listener as well as having an inquisitive mind, some research and a lot of good fortune along with adequate blind luck????

My only desire really is to pass on some of those things and perhaps wise up some of my fellow citizens.

"To be ignorant of what occurred before you were born is to remain always a child."
Cicero

You may have to explain your question a bit more, I'm not sure I understand. :search:

Google this; Henry Kissinger was assigned at the close of WWII to a US Army base in Germany with instructions to his commander to; "assign him something simple that won't get him in trouble." So he was assigned to be a dining room orderly, in other words to just wipe up the tables and keep his trap shut. The troops affectionately called him "chow hall Hank."

Next he took leave for a month or so and visited several very wealthy families in Europe and America, among whom were the Rockefellers. When he returned to Germany, guess what his assignment was.

"Governor of that military district."

Nice promotion huh??

I doubt you will find that in some history book or newspaper article.

Why can't this be more about what we all know rather than how much you know or that I know or OE has read in some book??
 
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#48
OrangeEmpire said:
1.) No, I just respond to stupid ones that are not funny.

2.) Why wouldn't I have access?

3.) I am the one who has a problem?

:eek:k:
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1.) Then why are you responding to me???


2.) Would that not be intuitively obvious to the most casual observer??

3.) Only you can answer that. Do you have some sort of problem??

OrangeEmpire said:

Newbie, GSVOL, really needs to learn how to laugh.

I will accomplish my mission!

:birgits_giggle:
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You mean funny ha ha or something else??

A.) If you mean funny ha ha, then once again you are mistaken.

B.) If you mean the other funny thanks but no thanks but go ahead and have your fun.:shades:
 
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#50
gsvol said:
Ego deflation can be your friend.

There are plenty of potential responses.

Remember this one;

Once there was a little bird in the far north and when the rest of the flock decided to fly south for the winter, said the weather was so nice he would just stay on for a couple of more weeks and when the north wind began to blow hard and the temperature began to fall, (as it is today here) he began his migration south.

Soon though he was overtaken by a strong winter storm and eventually his wings iced up and he was forced to land and as luck would have it landed in a cow path in a cow pasture and was soon covered with snow.

As he was about to succumb to the elements a cow came down the path and as she stepped over the little hump in the snow, raised her tail and left a nice juicy patty right on that very spot.

It a little while the warm excrement melted the snow and warmed the little bird and he began to clean himself and continue his journey to more hospitable climes.

As he was doing this there happened to pass an old bobcat, out in search of an evening meal and seeing the movement in the cow path, came over and pounced on the little bird, cleaned it off and ate it for an appetizer.

The moral of the story?? "Not all those who crap on you are your enemy and not all those who take crap off you are your friend."

This is what the LORD says: "Let not the wise man boast of his wisdom or the strong man boast of his strength or the rich man boast of his riches, but let him who boasts boast about this: that he understands and knows me, that I am the LORD, who exercises kindness, justice and righteousness on earth, for in these I delight," declares the LORD.
(Jeremiah 9:23-24)




Uh, personal experience, patience, answered prayers and being a good listener as well as having an inquisitive mind, some research and a lot of good fortune along with adequate blind luck????

My only desire really is to pass on some of those things and perhaps wise up some of my fellow citizens.

"To be ignorant of what occurred before you were born is to remain always a child."
Cicero

You may have to explain your question a bit more, I'm not sure I understand. :search:

Google this; Henry Kissinger was assigned at the close of WWII to a US Army base in Germany with instructions to his commander to; "assign him something simple that won't get him in trouble." So he was assigned to be a dining room orderly, in other words to just wipe up the tables and keep his trap shut. The troops affectionately called him "chow hall Hank."

Next he took leave for a month or so and visited several very wealthy families in Europe and America, among whom were the Rockefellers. When he returned to Germany, guess what his assignment was.

"Governor of that military district."

Nice promotion huh??

I doubt you will find that in some history book or newspaper article.

Why can't this be more about what we all know rather than how much you know or that I know or OE has read in some book??
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I'm not trying to come across as insulting, but are you really a snobbish a-hole or just having a good time of acting it out?

Theres plenty of snobs on here, and i like most of them; and even more a-holes, and i feel right at home with them, but you are a little, er, high handed with your lectures...

again, no offense meant, just a statement from the Resident Civil War Historian, with a passing interest in these threads.
 
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