Pearl's 1-2-1-1 Press.

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Well to be honest...I really can't answer that question. Of course as you mentioned free throws and dead balls are the best opportunity to press and the most common. But a pressing team will press on every made basket for the most part and coach pearl did this in his first couple of years and If he feels like this team is athletic and in good enough condition to do so I hope he does.
 
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Well, I sure hope the vols can run the press with some success. They are high flyin and fast moving when they do. I think this team has great potential and I am obviously very excited. Think that Pearl is going to really mix it up and am glad to hear about this full court press.
 
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allvol21 said:
The reason you have never seen tyler on the ball is we have not ran this press with him at the 4. When crews was here chism did play the 4 alot so thats why you sall that. Not saying it has to be but the 4 man is what he wants in his press on the inbounder. But if you don't believe me I found you a link. See for yourself....

X’s & O’s of Basketball: Bruce Pearl's 1-2-1-1 Full-court Press
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That's just this guy drawing up x's and o's calling the guy on the ball the 4. Bottom line, Pearl always plays the five man on the ball. What that guy is calling the 4 man is our 5 man every time. Pearl doesn't go to Chism and say, "Alright Wayne, we're going to put you at the 4 on our press." He just puts him on the ball, and he is our five man. He puts our 4 man as the rover.
 
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allvol21 said:
I have to disagree as well. The principle of a run and jump are mainly from a man to man. It is the type of press where you read the ball handler. There are 3 times when you trap out of a run and jump.

1) when the ball handler comes with a speed dribble, or is " out of control"

2) When the ball handler is blind to you. For example: he is being forced to the sidline away from you he makes a reverse pivot and then trap immeadiately.

3) when you feel like the ball handler is weak or on his weak side of the floor.

A run and jump is a read press and the 1-2-1-1 is designed to play out a certain way every time. Not to mention it is a zone no matter how you put it.
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And we run and jump out of the 1-2-1-1 when we force the inbounds pass to the corner, and the ball handler is blind to the man guarding the inbounds pass when he comes to trap and the opposite guard takes away the inbounder leaving the man two passes away uncovered in anticipation that our 4 man (the rover) could intercept the skip pass. That is run and jump; maybe you're just not sure what run and jump is.

The 1-2-1-1 may be designed to have a similar outcome everytime; however, the principles in our press do not reflect zone principles at all. Zone principles don't dictate matching up on the guards in denying the inbounds pass; zone principles would just have our guards guard a specific area in the press, which they do not with Pearl's press. It is a 1-2-1-1 alignment with run and jump man to man principles. That is the diamond press and always has been. People run that press at all levels of basketball.
 
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allvol21 said:
The reason you have never seen tyler on the ball is we have not ran this press with him at the 4. When crews was here chism did play the 4 alot so thats why you sall that. Not saying it has to be but the 4 man is what he wants in his press on the inbounder. But if you don't believe me I found you a link. See for yourself....

X’s & O’s of Basketball: Bruce Pearl's 1-2-1-1 Full-court Press
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No, he didn't. Chism and Crews alternated at 5 while Bradshaw played the 4. Chism and Crews were almost never on the floor at the same time. And our 5 man (Chism or Crews) was still on the ball in the press then with our 4 man (Bradshaw) playing the rover.
 
#31
#31
The other players are essentially playing man-to-man deny/help defense (first pass away deny, second pass away help). X2 must stick to the ball-side player shadowing him making it difficult to receive the pass. X3 can use the backboard to his advantage and cover the opposite corner and just under the hoop.
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As you can see here with the excerpt from the little internet guide that you posted for the 1-2-1-1. There are man to man principles all the way through this press.
 
#32
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Like many things Pearl does, his press is designed to steal the inbounds pass and then they drop back quickly into a man-to-man. It is not a standard press. He does utilize it to create tempo and hopefully result in some quick, easy baskets.
 
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kiffinator13 said:
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And we run and jump out of the 1-2-1-1 when we force the inbounds pass to the corner, and the ball handler is blind to the man guarding the inbounds pass when he comes to trap and the opposite guard takes away the in bounder leaving the man two passes away uncovered in anticipation that our 4 man (the rover) could intercept the skip pass. That is run and jump; maybe you're just not sure what run and jump is.

The 1-2-1-1 may be designed to have a similar outcome every time; however, the principles in our press do not reflect zone principles at all. Zone principles don't dictate matching up on the guards in denying the inbounds pass; zone principles would just have our guards guard a specific area in the press, which they do not with Pearl's press. It is a 1-2-1-1 alignment with run and jump man to man principles. That is the diamond press and always has been. People run that press at all levels of basketball.
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No my friend obviously you are not sure what a run and jump press is. This is a ZONE PRESS a run and jump is a MAN TO MAN. We do deny the guards the ball. Do you know why we do that? To force it to the corner. That is the only spot we allow it to come in. You have man responsibilities in all zone presses. Once a man enters your coverage are you completely front him or play the passing lane.Same thing applies in football. For example if the Outside linebacker is responsible for the flats and the tight end runs a 5 and out to the flats he will pick him up...but that doesn't make it a man to man defense. Just because you trap or deny doesn't make a press run and jump.

You can deny out of any type of press. I've seen it done with a 2-2-1 and a 1-2-2. A run and jump press consists of everyone picking up a man and the off the ball defenders make a read on when they trap and where they trap. It could happen anywhere on the floor and this press consists of neither of those.
 
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I think the press gives us a dynamic whichMOST teams cannot match. We, alot oftimes, last year seemed the most athletic team, but let the opposing team dictate the game...I am hoping we take the bull by the horn and run alot of press/fast breaks..I love when this team is outta control. I know there is alot of turnovers, but it is fun as hell to watch. JP can make some turnovers that make you wonder what side of the brain is working, but he is such an athlete that he can blow your mind sometimes. GO VOLS
 
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allvol21 said:
No my friend obviously you are not sure what a run and jump press is. This is a ZONE PRESS a run and jump is a MAN TO MAN. We do deny the guards the ball. Do you know why we do that? To force it to the corner. That is the only spot we allow it to come in. You have man responsibilities in all zone presses. Once a man enters your coverage are you completely front him or play the passing lane.Same thing applies in football. For example if the Outside linebacker is responsible for the flats and the tight end runs a 5 and out to the flats he will pick him up...but that doesn't make it a man to man defense. Just because you trap or deny doesn't make a press run and jump.

You can deny out of any type of press. I've seen it done with a 2-2-1 and a 1-2-2. A run and jump press consists of everyone picking up a man and the off the ball defenders make a read on when they trap and where they trap. It could happen anywhere on the floor and this press consists of neither of those.
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My friend, I think we are just arguing in circles. I wasn't suggesting that you don't have a clue or something. I see this press as 1-2-1-1 alignment with basic run and jump principles. I am fully aware that a run and jump traditionally is a man to man. I was just asserting that by watching our press, you can clearly see run and jump principles. Again, I wasn't trying to insult you. But I clearly see this press as strong denial of the inbounds pass, followed by trapping the first pass being that is forced to be entered at the sideline (the trap spot). I have watched multiple other coaches employ a run and jump man to man and it essentially traps the first pass with the opposite wing denying the man one pass away just like our press does and just like every diamond press I have ever seen does. That was my point; I wasn't saying that a 1-2-1-1 press was a run and jump; I was just saying that it contained principles of run and jump and was much more similar to that than a true zone press. I think everyone can agree on that. A true zone press doesn't deny the inbounds; you can deny out of other press alignments, but when you do that, they employ more man to man and sometimes run and jump principles rather than true zone principles. I think that is an undisputed fact. However, again, sorry if I insulted you as that was not my intention. You seem to know what you are talking about; I love talking technical basketball and you seem to as well, and I respect that.
 
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kiffinator13 said:
My friend, I think we are just arguing in circles. I wasn't suggesting that you don't have a clue or something. I see this press as 1-2-1-1 alignment with basic run and jump principles. I am fully aware that a run and jump traditionally is a man to man. I was just asserting that by watching our press, you can clearly see run and jump principles. Again, I wasn't trying to insult you. But I clearly see this press as strong denial of the inbounds pass, followed by trapping the first pass being that is forced to be entered at the sideline (the trap spot). I have watched multiple other coaches employ a run and jump man to man and it essentially traps the first pass with the opposite wing denying the man one pass away just like our press does and just like every diamond press I have ever seen does. That was my point; I wasn't saying that a 1-2-1-1 press was a run and jump; I was just saying that it contained principles of run and jump and was much more similar to that than a true zone press. I think everyone can agree on that. A true zone press doesn't deny the inbounds; you can deny out of other press alignments, but when you do that, they employ more man to man and sometimes run and jump principles rather than true zone principles. I think that is an undisputed fact. However, again, sorry if I insulted you as that was not my intention. You seem to know what you are talking about; I love talking technical basketball and you seem to as well, and I respect that.
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Well Said.. I believe we both see the points each of us are making. And yes I love talking x's and o's just as you do should be fun when basketball season hits for us to break some things down. Because honestly and no offense to other posters I haven't found many people on this board I can do that with so for u kiffinator I have respect for as well:good!:
 
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allvol21 said:
Well Said.. I believe we both see the points each of us are making. And yes I love talking x's and o's just as you do should be fun when basketball season hits for us to break some things down. Because honestly and no offense to other posters I haven't found many people on this board I can do that with so for u kiffinator I have respect for as well:good!:
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Looking forward to the season, man. I'll start up a thread a little later on specific things we need to do to improve defensively in the half-court, and we'll discuss it.
 
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The thing I like about the 1-2-1-1 press is that, a lot of times, it will align perfectly with the press break that the opposing team is running, which gives it man to man principles (like allvol and kiffinator have been talking about). BP uses it to keep the tempo of the game up and try to make the other team go deeper than ourselves on their bench. I love what he did with the athletes he had his first couple of years here, but now we need to do a better job of recruiting the speed we need to aptly run this press.
 
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vols for life said:
The thing I like about the 1-2-1-1 press is that, a lot of times, it will align perfectly with the press break that the opposing team is running, which gives it man to man principles (like allvol and kiffinator have been talking about). BP uses it to keep the tempo of the game up and try to make the other team go deeper than ourselves on their bench. I love what he did with the athletes he had his first couple of years here, but now we need to do a better job of recruiting the speed we need to aptly run this press.
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I think any time you play in a unconventional system, you must recruit players that fit your system first and foremost. For example, Georgia Tech is not going to be recruiting drop back passers in football because they run the triple option. We need to focus less on star rating and more on skill-set and the players fitting into a pressing system. IMO.
 
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kiffinator13 said:
I think any time you play in a unconventional system, you must recruit players that fit your system first and foremost. For example, Georgia Tech is not going to be recruiting drop back passers in football because they run the triple option. We need to focus less on star rating and more on skill-set and the players fitting into a pressing system. IMO.
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agreed
 
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I play basketball for my middle school and we run this press and we are very good at it.Beacuse,we run untill the season starts and we are very much in shape and your 4 man has to be good which are, 4 man is our best player, so if your in good enough shape you can run this all day and be very good at it.Also I have not played a team that could get by this unless somebody blows there role one team found a way to beat it but it was very easy to adjust to so really as some of you said being in shape,knowing your role and hustle is the way to make this work.
 
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colvol said:
I play basketball for my middle school and we run this press and we are very good at it.Beacuse,we run untill the season starts and we are very much in shape and your 4 man has to be good which are, 4 man is our best player, so if your in good enough shape you can run this all day and be very good at it.Also I have not played a team that could get by this unless somebody blows there role one team found a way to beat it but it was very easy to adjust to so really as some of you said being in shape,knowing your role and hustle is the way to make this work.
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That press has been used by some really good teams and some really good coaches over the years. It works if you have good people playing it well.

It is harder to effectively press teams with good guards.
 
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colvol said:
I play basketball for my middle school and we run this press and we are very good at it.Beacuse,we run untill the season starts and we are very much in shape and your 4 man has to be good which are, 4 man is our best player, so if your in good enough shape you can run this all day and be very good at it.Also I have not played a team that could get by this unless somebody blows there role one team found a way to beat it but it was very easy to adjust to so really as some of you said being in shape,knowing your role and hustle is the way to make this work.
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The standars are higher in the SEC, you can have well-conditioned athletes, but the fact stands that you HAVE to have long, fast, athletes to be able to run it. The coaches in the SEC have seen this press and studied to for too long, if there is a weakness in it(such as speed, like it was last year) they will manipulate that weakness and beat us up and down the floor with the ball every time. This happened multiple times last year, which is the reason we couldn't run the press as often as BP would have like to. Hopefully that will change this year. I listened to Bruce today on the radio and he said that the 1-2-1-1 should be much improved this season.
 
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colvol said:
I play basketball for my middle school and we run this press and we are very good at it.Beacuse,we run untill the season starts and we are very much in shape and your 4 man has to be good which are, 4 man is our best player, so if your in good enough shape you can run this all day and be very good at it.Also I have not played a team that could get by this unless somebody blows there role one team found a way to beat it but it was very easy to adjust to so really as some of you said being in shape,knowing your role and hustle is the way to make this work.
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Exactly... 4 man is what I have been saying is crucial to this press and many have argued that point.
 
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allvol21 said:
Exactly... 4 man is what I have been saying is crucial to this press and many have argued that point.
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The 4 is crucial. He's just not on the ball in our press. Chism, the 5, is on the ball. Tyler, the 4, plays the rover in the diamond, but you are still right; it is still a crucial position.
 
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Even if that is true...and I'm not positive that it is. Chism is a moblie big guy actually he is more a PF(4) or I garuntee He would find another tall and athletic replacement.
But I'll ask him this weekend at his coaching clinic.
 
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allvol21 said:
Even if that is true...and I'm not positive that it is. Chism is a moblie big guy actually he is more a PF(4) or I garuntee He would find another tall and athletic replacement.
But I'll ask him this weekend at his coaching clinic.
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Please tell..Coaching clinic?? Lucky vol!
 
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allvol21 said:
Even if that is true...and I'm not positive that it is. Chism is a moblie big guy actually he is more a PF(4) or I garuntee He would find another tall and athletic replacement.
But I'll ask him this weekend at his coaching clinic.
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Well, he even puts Brian Williams on the ball when he is in for Chism as well, man. Do you not recall Brian and Wayne being on the ball all the time? Tyler Smith has not been on the ball one time since he has been at UT. Pearl has always put his 5 man on the ball and his 4 man as the rover since he has been with us. But be sure you do ask him. I would like to hear what he says about it.
 
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