Pearl's record vs Green and Peterson

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First I will start off by saying I am a big Coach Pearl fan....but a bigger UT fan. I have never seen a better job of motivating that I did yesterday by our coaching job. I also am so proud of the heart these kids played with. Don't really understand all of the negativity right now. Some is constructive....some is downright full of hate. I have not attacked anyone on here that has a differing opinion than mine. I really don't understand anyone that attacks other Vol fans for different opinions. Because you know what they say about opinions. But deep down we are all Vol fans and are all so proud of what the team did yesterday....All Heart! That being said I have cut and pasted Pearls, Petersons and Greens records while at Tennessee. I tried to find attendance records for each and have had no luck on the former two coaches. We all know how attendance has risen under Pearl. I believe top 5 or 6 in the nation....second in the SEC behind KY and not far behind. Anyway, this has probably been done on here before...I just found it interesting to see facts about wins and losses while debating. Anyone have other stats like attendances they can add?

Coach Pearl's UT record

2005-06 Tennessee 22-8 12-4 1st Sec E NCAA 2nd Round
2006-07 Tennessee 24-11 10-6 2nd Sec E NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2007-08 Tennessee 31-5 14-2 1st Sec E NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2008-09 Tennessee 21-13 10-6 T-1st SEC E NCAA 1st Round
2009-10 Tennessee 12-2
Tennessee: 122-41 Total 46-18 SEC wins

Coach Peterson's record

–2002 Tennessee 15–16 7–9
2002–2003 Tennessee 17–12 9–7 NIT 1st Round
2003–2004 Tennessee 15–14 7–9 NIT 1st Round
2004–2005 Tennessee 14–17 6–10
Tennessee: 61–59 Total 29–35 SEC

Coach Green's UT record

1997-98 Tennessee 20-9 9-7 3rd SEC East NCAA 1st Round
1998-99 Tennessee 21-9 12-4 1st SEC East NCAA 2nd Round
1999-00 Tennessee 26-7 12-4 1st SEC East NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2000-01 Tennessee 22-11 8-8 4th SEC East NCAA 1st Round
Tennessee: 89-36 Total 41-23 SEC
 
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Question? Pearl 163; Peterson 120; Green 125. Why the big difference in the number of games?? I argee with you on the opinion deal.
 
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Bvols48 said:
Question? Pearl 163; Peterson 120; Green 125. Why the big difference in the number of games?? I argee with you on the opinion deal.
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Not sure I understand your numbers. Pearl has a record of 122-41 at UT. 1st in the SEC East three times (tied on one of those) finished 2nd in the East the other time. Made Sweet 16 one time so far. Peterson was 61-59 at UT. Nothing in the SEC and no NCAA appearances. Twice in the NIT. Green was 89-36 with 2 Sec East titles and finished 3rd and 4th the other 2 year. Two Sweet 16 appearances.
 
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Per Media Guide via utsports.com

Year Home Games Total Attendance Average Nat'l Ranking
1997-98 16 245,947 15,372 10th
1998-99 15 236,950 15,797 9th
1999-00 16 248,979 15,561 12th
2000-01 15 232,805 15,520 11th
2001-02 14 199,221 14,230 16th
2002-03 17 233,413 13,730 18th
2003-04 17 228,248 13,426 21st
2004-05 16 195,609 12,225 20th
2005-06 15 269,310 17,954 5th
2006-07 16 314,571 19,661 4th
2007-08 16 324,274 20,267 4th
2008-09 15 307,239 20,483 4th
 
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BigPapaVol said:
JMO that Green and Peterson are awful comps.
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Just comparing to where we have been the last couple of coaches. Someone also posted attendance. Ranking in the top 5 each of the last 5 years I think. Something UT basketball had never done.
 
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The reason for the difference in # of games is Green and Petersons numbers were based on 4 seasons and CBP is into his 5th. So if you take away the 14 games from this season he has 149 total games. Then you look at scheduleing more early season tournaments by CBP and winning a few more games in the post season.
 
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Staggering. Pearl and Green's tourney record are almost exactly the same. Hell, they made the tourney every year and won twenty games. I don't see much of a difference. Also finished the SEC 1st twice. Anybody who says we have never seen Pearl's sucess at UT ever is being completely moronic.
 
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zjcvols said:
Staggering. Pearl and Green's tourney record are almost exactly the same. Hell, they made the tourney every year and won twenty games. I don't see much of a difference. Also finished the SEC 1st twice. Anybody who says we have never seen Pearl's sucess at UT ever is being completely moronic.
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CBP has done something uncle jed could never do and that is bring UT BB into the mainstream. Jerry Greens teams where nothing but thugs and the TBA was known as the Tattoo Parlor, greens teams had so much talent but could never win the big one, in his sweet 16 appearance he loses to a really bad Tar heel team, plus he alienated the fan base when he told us "if you don't like the way I coach don't watch just go to Kmart" I do not remember his exact quote, but that was his undoing at UT, basically he won a lot of games with the talent Kevin O'Neill recruited here. Green was a complete idiot.
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
CBP has done something uncle jed could never do and that is bring UT BB into the mainstream. Jerry Greens teams where nothing but thugs and the TBA was known as the Tattoo Parlor, greens teams had so much talent but could never win the big one, in his sweet 16 appearance he loses to a really bad Tar heel team, plus he alienated the fan base when he told us "if you don't like the way I coach don't watch just go to Kmart" I do not remember his exact quote, but that was his undoing at UT, basically he won a lot of games with the talent Kevin O'Neill recruited here. Green was a complete idiot.
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Really. You are going to say that about Green's teams in comparison to Pearl's teams?
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
CBP has done something uncle jed could never do and that is bring UT BB into the mainstream. Jerry Greens teams where nothing but thugs and the TBA was known as the Tattoo Parlor, greens teams had so much talent but could never win the big one, in his sweet 16 appearance he loses to a really bad Tar heel team, plus he alienated the fan base when he told us "if you don't like the way I coach don't watch just go to Kmart" I do not remember his exact quote, but that was his undoing at UT, basically he won a lot of games with the talent Kevin O'Neill recruited here. Green was a complete idiot.
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other than the thug coach, and green was a complete idiot, I'll go with that. We have not had our names in ESPN/SI like with Pearl and in the mainstream. But having said that, saying we've never seen sucess with our program like we are seeing now is stupid.

BTW, welcome to the board :hi:, you are gonna love this place :)
 
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Obviously, someone missed the Jerry Green years or wasn't paying attention. Here are a few of the many differences that a cursory look at records won't tell you.

1. Pearl plays tougher competition. Green feasted on chumps for the first part of the year. You didn't see teams like North Carolina, Texas, Kansas, Ohio States, etc. on the schedule under Green. One year we played Arizona early, but that was about it.

2. Green's teams always, always faded at the end. I still remember being 16-1 and ranked in the top ten in his last year and completely falling apart the last half of the SEC season, beginning with a pitiful effort in Fayetteville.

3. Green's record in the NCAA's was 3-4, Pearl is 5-4.

4. 30 points. Southwest Missouri State.

5. Pearl's teams, especially the first three years, were light years mentally tougher than Green's teams and he has their respect. I know for a fact that Green's players hated him or, at the very least, considered him a joke. For his part, Green probably felt the same way.

6. Recruiting class in their fifth year:

Green - Andy Ikeakor and Brandon Crump

Pearl - Tobias Harris, Jordan McRae and Trae Golden

Green has a losing record if he stays for that fifth year, I truly believe. We were headed for some seriously bad years once Green had used up O'Neil's talent and inroads he made.

There are a ton of reasons why Pearl blows Green out of the water. I was beyond happy they showed Green the door until I found out they hired Buzz over Jay Wright.
 
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Unimane said:
Obviously, someone missed the Jerry Green years or wasn't paying attention. Here are a few of the many differences that a cursory look at records won't tell you.

1. Pearl plays tougher competition. Green feasted on chumps for the first part of the year. You didn't see teams like North Carolina, Texas, Kansas, Ohio States, etc. on the schedule under Green. One year we played Arizona early, but that was about it.

2. Green's teams always, always faded at the end. I still remember being 16-1 and ranked in the top ten in his last year and completely falling apart the last half of the SEC season, beginning with a pitiful effort in Fayetteville.

3. Green's record in the NCAA's was 3-4, Pearl is 5-4.

4. 30 points. Southwest Missouri State.

5. Pearl's teams, especially the first three years, were light years mentally tougher than Green's teams and he has their respect. I know for a fact that Green's players hated him or, at the very least, considered him a joke. For his part, Green probably felt the same way.

6. Recruiting class in their fifth year:

Green - Andy Ikeakor and Brandon Crump

Pearl - Tobias Harris, Jordan McRae and Trae Golden

Green has a losing record if he stays for that fifth year, I truly believe. We were headed for some seriously bad years once Green had used up O'Neil's talent and inroads he made.

There are a ton of reasons why Pearl blows Green out of the water. I was beyond happy they showed Green the door until I found out they hired Buzz over Jay Wright.
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Agreed on most, save the mental toughness. Without CLo and JJSmith, Pearl's teams are soft mental lightweights.
 
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allvol9 said:
Not sure I understand your numbers. Pearl has a record of 122-41 at UT. 1st in the SEC East three times (tied on one of those) finished 2nd in the East the other time. Made Sweet 16 one time so far. Peterson was 61-59 at UT. Nothing in the SEC and no NCAA appearances. Twice in the NIT. Green was 89-36 with 2 Sec East titles and finished 3rd and 4th the other 2 year. Two Sweet 16 appearances.
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Green made the sweet 16 once, Pearl has been there twice in consecutive years which has never been done at UT before, he also coached us to a number 1 ranking for the first time in school history, previous high I think was 3rd.
 
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zjcvols said:
Staggering. Pearl and Green's tourney record are almost exactly the same. Hell, they made the tourney every year and won twenty games. I don't see much of a difference. Also finished the SEC 1st twice. Anybody who says we have never seen Pearl's sucess at UT ever is being completely moronic.
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This is funny since you just started a thread to be nice, after you call us morons. The biggest difference in the 2 is nobody cared if Green won, kinda like what you post:peace2:
 
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Brentwoodvolfan said:
This is funny since you just started a thread to be nice, after you call us morons. The biggest difference in the 2 is nobody cared if Green won, kinda like what you post:peace2:
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I cared if green won, especially as Tony Harris pissed away the UNC game.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Agreed on most, save the mental toughness. Without CLo and JJSmith, Pearl's teams are soft mental lightweights.
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Disagree. The first three years, they were very tough mentally. We won a lot of games down the stretch with guys like Bradshaw, T. Smith, JuJuan and Lofton making winning plays. Hell, Chism would even step up and make huge shots. Last year was the first year that stopped happening.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I cared if green won, especially as Tony Harris pissed away the UNC game.
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That whole team pissed away that game. I still remember Ron Slay hitting the right side of the backboard after getting an open shot from the free throw line.

The Carolina game was a textbook choke job.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I cared if green won, especially as Tony Harris pissed away the UNC game.
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If he hadn't decided to toss up halfcourt three's, and overall play like he had just swallowed a bottle of muscle relaxer, we would have gone deeper into the tournament than Pearl ever took us.

But then what would most of these posters hang their hat on?
 
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Unimane said:
That whole team pissed away that game. I still remember Ron Slay hitting the right side of the backboard after getting an open shot from the free throw line.

The Carolina game was a textbook choke job.
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It took a team to lose it, but Harris was a disaster. He had confidence, but it was wildly misplaced.
 
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Green's last year he played some decent teams before the SEC schedule started. For one they went up to Syracuse and won, and at the time it was a big deal. Plus they played Virginia and got bombed, and I believe they were pretty good that year. Plus pretty much every Pearl team so far has gotten bombed by someone in the pre-SEC schedule.

Not saying Green is better by any means, I think he was one of the worst coaches I've ever seen.
 
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Please don't bring up the UNC game from 2000. 10 years later and I still want to break something thinking about that game.
 
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Someone else mentioned it on here but Pearl schedules a much tougher out of conference than Green did. He is also such a good salesman....Green wasn't. The level of enthusiasm under Pearl vs other recent coaches has our attendance in the top 5 year in and year out. That lead to a remodeling of TBA making it one of the nicest facilites in the nation. I was as disappointed as anyone last year that we got knocked out in the 1st round but I love the passion that these guys are playing with now. Question, except for Ky...maybe UF wouldn't any other school in the SEC and many in other conferences love to have a Pearl?
 
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