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#51
#51
This ridiculous argument mixing asset based wealth with relative wealth is just absurd. The two ideas don't mix. The communistic relative wealth measure is retarded and anathema to our capitalist sytem. The fixed wealth / asset argument is simply retarded. The world gross GDP answers that silliness. We all have more comforts than everyone of yesteryear, including those who were wealthy.
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#52
#52
DAVOL said:
It does not always have to be suffering but there will always be an underclass.
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And?

It's going to be true even if you equalize wealth. That experiment has failed and the class system still existed.
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#54
#54
BigPapaVol said:
And?

It's going to be true even if you equalize wealth. That experiment has failed and the class system still existed.
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If you want we can pick this up tommorrow I'm not use to posting this much and it's getting late wished you would have joined in earlier.:good!:
 
#55
#55
BigPapaVol said:
And?

It's going to be true even if you equalize wealth. That experiment has failed and the class system still existed.
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In various degrees of prevalence, yes. It always will.


The notion that "we're all created (socially, financially, mentally, physically) equal" is what is fueling this social ideal. We're not all created equal. We will not live equally. We will not die equally.
 
#56
#56
Screw government, screw politicians and screw socialism!

The ONLY answer to these problems is the government to get out of our lives!
 
#57
#57
DC Vol said:
In various degrees of prevalence, yes. It always will.


The notion that "we're all created (socially, financially, mentally, physically) equal" is what is fueling this social ideal. We're not all created equal. We will not live equally. We will not die equally.
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and that's the basic fallacy in this argument about someone's rung on the share of the total wealth ladder.
 
#58
#58
BigPapaVol said:
and that's the basic fallacy in this argument about someone's rung on the share of the total wealth ladder.
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Hey, that's dangerous talk, comrade. If a rung is weak because of termites, it's up to the strong rungs to hold the ladder together.
 
#59
#59
How the hell did I miss this thread! Wealth is fixed? For someone to gain wealth, someone else has to lose wealth? Oh my...
 
#61
#61
volinbham said:
How the hell did I miss this thread! Wealth is fixed? For someone to gain wealth, someone else has to lose wealth? Oh my...
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It's sort of like something you'd see from an alien race on a bad Star Trek episode.
 
#62
#62
Wonder if the "they're rich because someone else has been made poor" argument applies to guys like Soros, Buffet, Gates, Jobs, the Google Nerds or the likes of the Kennedy clan?
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#63
#63
BigPapaVol said:
Wonder if the "they're rich because someone else has been made poor" argument applies to guys like Soros, Buffet, Gates, Jobs, the Google Nerds or the likes of the Kennedy clan?
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Well, if their enterprising efforts were without reward I can guarantee you none of those people, or their products, would exist as we know them.
 
#64
#64
Which is why it is great to live in a capitalist society. If you have an idea that everyone likes, and are willing to pay for, why would i get money for said idea? That is the true beauty of a capitalist society, innovation and invention. Google doesn't charge me anything to use it, so where would i be getting poor for them to get rich? Capitalist socities were brought about so we would all be on equal footing with a chance to get somewhere in life where ever that is in which you desire to be. The true problem with this country is everyone wanting something handed to them on a silver platter and no one wanting to bust their a$$ for anything. If the majority of Americans would quit asking for handouts we would all be a lot better off.
 
#65
#65
allvol123 said:
There is more wealth. If there is a finite amount please tell me what it is. I want to stop once I know it has been reached.
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Maybe instead just using the word wealth I should have used wealth perception since wealth is just a peceived worth of something.
If wealth is infinite then what the hell are all these ivy league economists with their phd's talking about when they talk about wealth concentration you can't concentrate something that is infinite (such as the universe).
 
#67
#67
DAVOL said:
Maybe instead just using the word wealth I should have used wealth perception since wealth is just a peceived worth of something.
If wealth is infinite then what the hell are all these ivy league economists with their phd's talking about when they talk about wealth concentration you can't concentrate something that is infinite (such as the universe).
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So there is now a finite amount of energy? Where do you get this stuff?

Also, you are correlating non-fixed with infinite for some reason....????
 
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#68
#68
DAVOL said:
Actually you gave up on me after you realized your reading comprehension was not quite what you thought it was (as you admit in post #42).
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what ever makes you feel better....at least i admit when i am wrong....your ignorance continues
 
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