People that use the term "Homerun Hire"

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sanddune50 said:
Based on what?
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Based on the competition in the SEC in general and the east in particular. The fact that Tennessee is not a fertile ground for recruiting and the mere fact that the program is one of the worst in the league right now. A major rebuild in this conference is not that desirable IMO. Especially going against the likes of Saban, Richt, Miles, and Muschamp
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
Was there a bigger name FL was after in 04? Other than Stoops who was mentioned for every job every year and not budging.

Meyer and Utah were getting A LOT of media love in 2004. Alex Smith was a Heisman finalist and they were a BCS buster. He was THE biggest name that was realistically on the market.

I would argue that Saban wasn't even a "homerun" quality candidate before taking the Bama job. Despite his success at LSU he never put back to back 10+ win seasons together at that point in his career. He wasn't even their 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th choice. They were striking out with a the big names before reaching out to him.
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I agree. Out side of unrealistic options like stealing Saban from Bama or Meyer from tOSU there is no "home run". It's all a gamble. There are some good RBIs out there though and I think Strong and Grundy are both good choices. We will land one of the two.
 
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Notice the legs are black...
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Dekram said:
First, I would like to say that there are not many homerun hires and none of them could be called "locks". I know people will say if we got Gruden it would be a "home run hire"(puke), but we were just pawns for Gruden to line his pocket book.

Second, this phrase is really dumb and if you use it you look dumb in the process. Unless you are Nostradamus you cant tell if someone is going to a "homerun hire" (puke), because hiring a coach is just like football sometimes it comes down to how the ball bounces.

Lastly, the job at the Univeristy of Tennessee is not a prestigous as some of you would believe. Its a good job in a great conference. We have facilities ( so does all the top contenders) we have tradition ( so does 3/4 of the SEC) and we have rapid fanbase that refuses to quit using the term "homerun hire" and understand we are not hiring Bill Belicheck(sp?), Vince lombardi, Tom Landry, or The Bear.

Most of the remaining coaches on the list, which is basically down to Strong or Strong imho is going to be such a vast improvement of what we had that you will be behind him before the season starts.

So quit setting yourself up for disappointment and get on the bandwagon. It may be the bandwagon to 9-3 but it may not and you cant say either way.
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First, it was Hart who actually coined the phrase "homecrun hire". So I am assuming you to be far more intelligent than not only everyone on here but also more intelligent than he.
Secondly, ESPN has Tennessee rated as the number one college coaching job available
Third, there are plenty of home run hires if they are pursued and persuaded is the problem. This list includes, but is not limited to: Davis, Patterson, Peterson, Kelly, Tressel and even Patrino
Fourth, you can use statistics and proven success to measure the probability of future success, or failure, while deciding on a prospective coaching candidate. Dooley has proven this.
Lastly, if the criteria that you expect vol fans to be excited about in a future Head Coach is "better than what we had" then no matter whom we hire everyone should be elated. I myself am not expecting a great hire. Why should I? I have come to expect mediocre or less results, and that's what we will get this time too. However, to say that there aren't better options available is "dumb" in itself.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
I would say Meyer was home run. He was the most attractive name on the market the year he took the FL job. Many questioned if his system would work in the SEC but he quickly proved himself am elite recruiter. Then he had the good fortune of the perfect QB for his system fall in his lap.
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Guys, read his signature. He's openly trolling us. Not sure I would take what he wrote too seriously.
 
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Dylecho said:
Guys, read his signature. He's openly trolling us. Not sure I would take what he wrote too seriously.
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99 has been around here and GVX for years. He can be a @$$ at times but I do t think he purposely trolls.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
Was there a bigger name FL was after in 04? Other than Stoops who was mentioned for every job every year and not budging.

Meyer and Utah were getting A LOT of media love in 2004. Alex Smith was a Heisman finalist and they were a BCS buster. He was THE biggest name that was realistically on the market.

I would argue that Saban wasn't even a "homerun" quality candidate before taking the Bama job. Despite his success at LSU he never put back to back 10+ win seasons together at that point in his career. He wasn't even their 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th choice. They were striking out with a the big names before reaching out to him.
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I would beg to differ on Saban. He not only had HC experience in the SEC with success But he also had coaching experience at Mich State and several stints in the NFL coaching with Miami, oilers and a couple if other NFL teams as well as big Colleges. So, by comparison, he is certainly more qualified than any of the candidates that we are " settling for". This is just based on the candidates that I have herd on here and it is possible that we are looking at other options that we are not aware of. However, Strong with a 61% winning average in the Big East is certainly nothing to be excited about. It is settling for a last option. I hope it isn't for jkack of trying. Yes, he is better than what we had. But a pimple is better than staff infection. But neither is good
 
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OP, my use of the term "home run" is a general term to describe a hire that has the best chance (notice I said chance) of doing all of the following three things.. 1. Unite the fanbase/create a "buzz".. 2. Trigger a bump in recruiting and ultimately recruit well.. 3. Win...

Your use of the word "dumb" in describing people who use the phrase further illustrates the old saying "opinions are like a$$holes, everybody has one" and quite often you find a person that is one..
 
#39
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Home run is a dumb term for hiring. It is something the media has concocted. Just as it is with first or second round draft picks to measure talent. Coaches and orgs never do that. They compare the player to what they have and have their own grading scales.
 
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rapid ...rabid hell im at work cant re read everything :p . My point is the fact we have the ability to have another great run of winning, but the counter fact is if i was an established coach I would not come to UT if i was looking long term at this point.

I would have major reservations about taking the job UNLESS i was an up and coming coach that wanted to get into the SEC. Strong or Gundy both fit that.
 
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m1al said:
OP, my use of the term "home run" is a general term to describe a hire that has the best chance (notice I said chance) of doing all of the following three things.. 1. Unite the fanbase/create a "buzz".. 2. Trigger a bump in recruiting and ultimately recruit well.. 3. Win...

Your use of the word "dumb" in describing people who use the phrase further illustrates the old saying "opinions are like a$$holes, everybody has one" and quite often you find a person that is one..
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Good post! It's obvious the OP didn't hit too many homeruns in his day.
 
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bam15 said:
Home run is a dumb term for hiring. It is something the media has concocted. Just as it is with first or second round draft picks to measure talent. Coaches and orgs never do that. They compare the player to what they have and have their own grading scales.
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And we as fans have our own grading scale. Home run and strike out. We are hitting foul balls
 
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m1al said:
OP, my use of the term "home run" is a general term to describe a hire that has the best chance (notice I said chance) of doing all of the following three things.. 1. Unite the fanbase/create a "buzz".. 2. Trigger a bump in recruiting and ultimately recruit well.. 3. Win...

Your use of the word "dumb" in describing people who use the phrase further illustrates the old saying "opinions are like a$$holes, everybody has one" and quite often you find a person that is one..
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Oh i never said my opinion was the only one to be considered. I believe the use of "homerun hire" is overused and in your example its takes an a$$hole to defend using it.

And i have hit a few homeruns in my time and I am not saying to not to try. I am looking at our situation from the outside and it is nowhere near as attractive as it once was, or even considered by a majority of posters that visit this site.
 
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With us interviewing Strong and Gundy off campus, you would think no matter who was hired, they would take a tour of campus, facilities, and surrounding things before taking the job. Is it common to hire a coach without him ever stepping foot on campus?
 
#45
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LebanonVolunteer said:
With us interviewing Strong and Gundy off campus, you would think no matter who was hired, they would take a tour of campus, facilities, and surrounding things before taking the job. Is it common to hire a coach without him ever stepping foot on campus?
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Strong has been on campus. Just not recently.
 
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We have just been unlucky in our past 2 coaches hired. *CAUGHhamiltonCAUGH*
 
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deckerkd said:
I would beg to differ on Saban. He not only had HC experience in the SEC with success But he also had coaching experience at Mich State and several stints in the NFL coaching with Miami, oilers and a couple if other NFL teams as well as big Colleges. So, by comparison, he is certainly more qualified than any of the candidates that we are " settling for". This is just based on the candidates that I have herd on here and it is possible that we are looking at other options that we are not aware of. However, Strong with a 61% winning average in the Big East is certainly nothing to be excited about. It is settling for a last option. I hope it isn't for jkack of trying. Yes, he is better than what we had. But a pimple is better than staff infection. But neither is good
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Can't disagree with any of your points but there was no guarantee that he would be as good as he has turned out though. I'm sure bammers were haveing some second thoughts by the end of year one too.

Then again, 92000 fans showed up to his first spring game so they obviously felt he was a homerun.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
With us interviewing Strong and Gundy off campus, you would think no matter who was hired, they would take a tour of campus, facilities, and surrounding things before taking the job. Is it common to hire a coach without him ever stepping foot on campus?
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Did i hear something about Gundy making Hart goto Stillwater?
 
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