Personal vs Political Beliefs

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What are some of your personal beliefs you hold that are different than your political beliefs, if any?

Something where you believe X, but dont believe the government should be involved in X.

I am thinking the more right leaning you are the more differences you are going to have in the two.

I am personally 100% against abortion and think its killing someone. But politically I would not support a government/politician that took an outright ban to it. I think the government shouldnt be funding any of it (PP), or require insurance to cover it. But I think if an insurance wants to cover it they should be able to.

Personally I dont "believe" in gay marriage, in the biblical sense. But politically if a government recognizes marriage I think they have to recognize gay marriage. One way I look at this is "civil union" vs "marriage".

Does anyone have any inconsistencies that stick out to them? These were the first two I could think of, but there are probably more.
 
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LouderVol said:
What are some of your personal beliefs you hold that are different than your political beliefs, if any?

Something where you believe X, but dont believe the government should be involved in X.

I am thinking the more right leaning you are the more differences you are going to have in the two.

I am personally 100% against abortion and think its killing someone. But politically I would not support a government/politician that took an outright ban to it. I think the government shouldnt be funding any of it (PP), or require insurance to cover it. But I think if an insurance wants to cover it they should be able to.

Personally I dont "believe" in gay marriage, in the biblical sense. But politically if a government recognizes marriage I think they have to recognize gay marriage. One way I look at this is "civil union" vs "marriage".

Does anyone have any inconsistencies that stick out to them? These were the first two I could think of, but there are probably more.
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You covered the two issues of mine and we agree.

Edit: I also oppose recreational drug use but think the WODs needs to end and we legalize them.
 
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I can't understand the crowd that says " I think abortion is taking a life, but I don't agree that the government should ban it". If it is taking a life, it is taking a life. Now, personally, I'm not sold on the idea that "life begins at conception" so I am not in favor, politically, of banning all abortions all the time with no consideration for what stage the pregnancy is. However, I recognize the difficulty of pinpointing a window in which "life begins". But life does begin at some point while the baby is in the uterus. Not in the birth canal and not seven days after it is born (cough cough California). For that reason, I think some abortion legal restrictions are required, and I lean towards them being fairly early in the pregnancy. I don't think it should be legal to take a life regardless of where the living is taking place (a womb, a crib, a crack house, under a bridge).
 
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According to the folks here in Volnation:
I'm a pompous, arrogant, leftist liberal, socialist, communist sympathizer, right- winger, faux conservative, Republican loon.

On a more serious note all I can say is that I do not support the democrat party in any way and am not one of the "81 million" who voted for the Big Guy.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
I can't understand the crowd that says " I think abortion is taking a life, but I don't agree that the government should ban it". If it is taking a life, it is taking a life. Now, personally, I'm not sold on the idea that "life begins at conception" so I am not in favor, politically, of banning all abortions all the time with no consideration for what stage the pregnancy is. However, I recognize the difficulty of pinpointing a window in which "life begins". But life does begin at some point while the baby is in the uterus. Not in the birth canal and not seven days after it is born (cough cough California). For that reason, I think some abortion legal restrictions are required, and I lean towards them being fairly early in the pregnancy. I don't think it should be legal to take a life regardless of where the living is taking place (a womb, a crib, a crack house, under a bridge).
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It’s like the people who try to proclaim you can’t be small government and support abortion bans. Do they believe my definition of small government means no restrictions on murder?
 
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hog88 said:
We're not very good at war anymore, we're 0for since 1945.
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Oh, we are fantastic at winning battles, crushing enemy troops, armies and even winning "the war", what we are not good at (and never have been) is actually ruling a conquered state. The only time we did that well was McArthur in Japan with Demming revising their businesses.

This means we take over something and then try to nation build in our own image in the hubristic conceit of noblesse oblige that we can Americanize them for their good and our benefit. But it never works and we end up bugging out with no real long-term benefit after staying long enough for our intelligence operatives and politically connected companies to get rich.

Perhaps one reason for this is that to RULE something, you have to OWN it and America has never really been comfortable with colonization. We seek to get some local governor propped up in there to do our bidding instead. Inevitably, this usually fails because if the people in the country could pick good leadership, they wouldnt have been at war with us in the first place. We Americanized Japan but it was an absolutely brutal cultural shock that required literally fire falling from heaven and obliterating two major cities to terrify them into compliance.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
I can't understand the crowd that says " I think abortion is taking a life, but I don't agree that the government should ban it". If it is taking a life, it is taking a life. Now, personally, I'm not sold on the idea that "life begins at conception" so I am not in favor, politically, of banning all abortions all the time with no consideration for what stage the pregnancy is. However, I recognize the difficulty of pinpointing a window in which "life begins". But life does begin at some point while the baby is in the uterus. Not in the birth canal and not seven days after it is born (cough cough California). For that reason, I think some abortion legal restrictions are required, and I lean towards them being fairly early in the pregnancy. I don't think it should be legal to take a life regardless of where the living is taking place (a womb, a crib, a crack house, under a bridge).
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For me politically abortion would come with some pretty heavy requirements to be legal. But that was getting into the weeds more than I wanted for this thread.
 
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LouderVol said:
What are some of your personal beliefs you hold that are different than your political beliefs, if any?

Something where you believe X, but dont believe the government should be involved in X.

I am thinking the more right leaning you are the more differences you are going to have in the two.

I am personally 100% against abortion and think its killing someone. But politically I would not support a government/politician that took an outright ban to it. I think the government shouldnt be funding any of it (PP), or require insurance to cover it. But I think if an insurance wants to cover it they should be able to.

Personally I dont "believe" in gay marriage, in the biblical sense. But politically if a government recognizes marriage I think they have to recognize gay marriage. One way I look at this is "civil union" vs "marriage".

Does anyone have any inconsistencies that stick out to them? These were the first two I could think of, but there are probably more.
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I know what you mean; I'm with you. Once the government gets involved in something like marriage, abortion, education, etc, the matter becomes a political kickball and becomes used and confused by those seeking office.
 
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hog88 said:
You covered the two issues of mine and we agree.

Edit: I also oppose recreational drug use but think the WODs needs to end and we legalize them.
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I dont use drugs, but dont care if others do, so it's difficult for me to say I am against drugs.
 
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LouderVol said:
What are some of your personal beliefs you hold that are different than your political beliefs, if any?

Something where you believe X, but dont believe the government should be involved in X.

I am thinking the more right leaning you are the more differences you are going to have in the two.

I am personally 100% against abortion and think its killing someone. But politically I would not support a government/politician that took an outright ban to it. I think the government shouldnt be funding any of it (PP), or require insurance to cover it. But I think if an insurance wants to cover it they should be able to.

Personally I dont "believe" in gay marriage, in the biblical sense. But politically if a government recognizes marriage I think they have to recognize gay marriage. One way I look at this is "civil union" vs "marriage".

Does anyone have any inconsistencies that stick out to them? These were the first two I could think of, but there are probably more.
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I totally get what you're saying but I don't think "inconsistency" is the right word. It's not inconsistent to like football stadiums and also think government shouldn't be paying for them. It's not inconsistent to believe gay marriage to be against the Bible and also think it should be legal.
 
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utvolpj said:
That govt limited spending to actual national defense? Funding Israeli defense is not us national defense
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Ah, yes.

I definitely see, and agree, with your larger general point about bastardized out of control defense spending.

Not sure about Israel, but that’s another discussion.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I totally get what you're saying but I don't think "inconsistency" is the right word. It's not inconsistent to like football stadiums and also think government shouldn't be paying for them. It's not inconsistent to believe gay marriage to be against the Bible and also think it should be legal.
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It’s a sign of maturity, not inconsistency.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I totally get what you're saying but I don't think "inconsistency" is the right word. It's not inconsistent to like football stadiums and also think government shouldn't be paying for them. It's not inconsistent to believe gay marriage to be against the Bible and also think it should be legal.
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I think its inconsistency as many on this board will take it. I can separate some of these issues, but many I dont think do.

I am assuming the more left/pro government you are the more you are going to find these differences as an inconsistency.

I tried to use as general of a term to avoid semantics as much as possible, but I recognize others will see more word choice differently.
 
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LouderVol said:
I think its inconsistency as many on this board will take it. I can separate some of these issues, but many I dont think do.

I am assuming the more left/pro government you are the more you are going to find these differences as an inconsistency.

I tried to use as general of a term to avoid semantics as much as possible, but I recognize others will see more word choice differently.
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Oh I get it. I don't want the government spending any $ but I'd rather have them spend it domestically than abroad, and this confuses the **** out of people. I'd rather have Yang's UBI with a skeleton government than our current government, but some think that makes me a commy (even though they believe in school choice vouchers, which is the same fkn idea, at its base).
 
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