Perspective, not being discussed (4th down play)

[chattavol420]

So I can’t for the life of me understand why this isn’t being extensively talked about. But on the play where the official kicked the ball…We gave up an easy opportunity at a first down and free play. It was obvious when it happened. I didn’t know why the official came back in after initially spotting the ball, but he quickly respotted the ball and then hustled back out of the way. The center had the ball and you could tell we were ready to go.

Yet, Florida decides to sub and you see their entire front line cross the line of scrimmage jogging towards their sidelines. I was screaming at the TV snap the ball… Snap the damn ball! Milton just stared at the sidelines (like the deer in the headlights) for what seems like forever. It almost felt like we waited until their entire new unit came in and got set. What the hell were we waiting for? Our center had the ball in the official wasn’t standing in his vicinity. We were clearly ready for play.

Were the coaches screaming at him to snap the ball? We gave up such an easy opportunity at a first down there.

Some people on here can’t see beyond the stats with Milton (which aren’t horrific) and say he’s not great, but he’s not terrible. But I’d argue there are so many little things a qb does that make an offense work. And he doesn’t do most of those extra/veteran/savvy things. He burned 2 TOs on the first drive the second half. We had to burn one TO coming out of a tv timeout. They kept disguising their defense and around eight seconds left on the play clock would shuffle around. Almost every time Milton would react by trying to change the play. You can’t do that on the road. Everybody knows that. It’s literally the whole basis for the crowd making noise when the home team is on defense.

He just can’t process a lot of information at once (as great qbs need to do). The qbs job is to keep the chains moving. It’s that simple. You keep the chains moving most of the time, you will win most of the time.

Milton is never making the savvy plays (you sometimes see other qbs make) to keep the chains moving. He throws the ball down the field into tight coverage on third and six when there is a clear open running lane. Or he’ll throw short of the sticks when that is clearly what the defense hopes for as they’ve intentionally left a cushion there.

 

[Alto1]

So I can’t for the life of me understand why this isn’t being extensively talked about. But on the play where the official kicked the ball…We gave up an easy opportunity at a first down and free play. It was obvious when it happened. I didn’t know why the official came back in after initially spotting the ball, but he quickly respotted the ball and then hustled back out of the way. The center had the ball and you could tell we were ready to go.

Yet, Florida decides to sub and you see their entire front line cross the line of scrimmage jogging towards their sidelines. I was screaming at the TV snap the ball… Snap the damn ball! Milton just stared at the sidelines (like the deer in the headlights) for what seems like forever. It almost felt like we waited until their entire new unit came in and got set. What the hell were we waiting for? Our center had the ball in the official wasn’t standing in his vicinity. We were clearly ready for play.

Were the coaches screaming at him to snap the ball? We gave up such an easy opportunity at a first down there.

Some people on here can’t see beyond the stats with Milton (which aren’t horrific) and say he’s not great, but he’s not terrible. But I’d argue there are so many little things a qb does that make an offense work. And he doesn’t do most of those extra/veteran/savvy things. He burned 2 TOs on the first drive the second half. We had to burn one TO coming out of a tv timeout. They kept disguising their defense, and was around eight seconds left on the play. Clock would shuffle around. And almost every time he then walk up to the line and try to change the play. You can’t do that on the road. Everybody knows that. It’s literally the whole basis for the crowd making noise when the home team is on defense.

He just can’t process a lot of information at once (as great qbs need to do). The qbs job is to keep the chains moving. It’s that simple. You keep the chains moving most of the time, you will win most of the time.

Milton is never making the savvy plays (you sometimes see other qbs make) to keep the chains moving. He throws the ball down the field into tight coverage on third and six when there is a clear open running lane. Or he’ll throw short of the sticks when that is clearly what the defense hopes for as they’ve intentionally left a cushion there.

I agree.
It also bothered me that he ran out of bounds on the 2 point conversion. He didn’t give our guys a chance to make a play.
Reminded me of when he ran out of bounds last year.

I believe Gaston or Nico either would be more efficient running the offense, BUT not having Mays out there at center was huge no matter whoever is at QB……..

 

[Gandalf]

Bottom line is that Milton just isnt a very savvy player. He simply cannot process the game at that speed, especially as fast as CJH's entire gameplan calls for and depends on.

Yes, there were a lot of other people who were screwing up out there besides Milton but great QBs can make silk out of a sow's ear. Hooker made teams sit back because every once in awhile, as the play broke down, he would sprint out to the sticks. Its like Milton simply has no real awareness of whats going on the field.

I remember watching a game of Nico's on tv for HS. The pocket collapsed and one came at him, almost from his blindside. He didnt tuck, he simply, shifted at the last moment and the guy went flying by just as Nico launched a great pass to a receiver downfield. I am not saying I want Nico today, but that the awareness cannot be taught I dont think.

 

[ALLVOL 4LIFE]

Money was long in Vegas. Way too many things just didn’t make sense.

Just saying

 

[ChrisVFL]

So I can’t for the life of me understand why this isn’t being extensively talked about. But on the play where the official kicked the ball…We gave up an easy opportunity at a first down and free play. It was obvious when it happened. I didn’t know why the official came back in after initially spotting the ball, but he quickly respotted the ball and then hustled back out of the way. The center had the ball and you could tell we were ready to go.

Yet, Florida decides to sub and you see their entire front line cross the line of scrimmage jogging towards their sidelines. I was screaming at the TV snap the ball… Snap the damn ball! Milton just stared at the sidelines (like the deer in the headlights) for what seems like forever. It almost felt like we waited until their entire new unit came in and got set. What the hell were we waiting for? Our center had the ball in the official wasn’t standing in his vicinity. We were clearly ready for play.

Were the coaches screaming at him to snap the ball? We gave up such an easy opportunity at a first down there.

Some people on here can’t see beyond the stats with Milton (which aren’t horrific) and say he’s not great, but he’s not terrible. But I’d argue there are so many little things a qb does that make an offense work. And he doesn’t do most of those extra/veteran/savvy things. He burned 2 TOs on the first drive the second half. We had to burn one TO coming out of a tv timeout. They kept disguising their defense and around eight seconds left on the play clock would shuffle around. Almost every time Milton would react by trying to change the play. You can’t do that on the road. Everybody knows that. It’s literally the whole basis for the crowd making noise when the home team is on defense.

He just can’t process a lot of information at once (as great qbs need to do). The qbs job is to keep the chains moving. It’s that simple. You keep the chains moving most of the time, you will win most of the time.

Milton is never making the savvy plays (you sometimes see other qbs make) to keep the chains moving. He throws the ball down the field into tight coverage on third and six when there is a clear open running lane. Or he’ll throw short of the sticks when that is clearly what the defense hopes for as they’ve intentionally left a cushion there.

This is where I slammed my drink down lmao. I was saying the same thing. Drink went everywhere , wife was bitching at me. I was screaming snap the damn ball. Then stuffed. When you waste that much time, it has to automatically be a passing down at that point . Ran it, lost a yard or 2 , that’s when I assume the game was over. That was on Milton I think. Maybe I’m wrong, but it happened so quickly that Milton had to make the best decision and obviously we seen what happened. IMO, a RPO type play should have been ran, maybe it was but it should have been passed. I’ll need to rewatch the game but get sick thinking about it .

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Bottom line is that Milton just isnt a very savvy player. He simply cannot process the game at that speed, especially as fast as CJH's entire gameplan calls for and depends on.

Yes, there were a lot of other people who were screwing up out there besides Milton but great QBs can make silk out of a sow's ear. Hooker made teams sit back because every once in awhile, as the play broke down, he would sprint out to the sticks. Its like Milton simply has no real awareness of whats going on the field.

I remember watching a game of Nico's on tv for HS. The pocket collapsed and one came at him, almost from his blindside. He didnt tuck, he simply, shifted at the last moment and the guy went flying by just as Nico launched a great pass to a receiver downfield. I am not saying I want Nico today, but that the awareness cannot be taught I dont think.

Ok, but that was HS...SMDH

 

[CornbreadVol]

Speaking of another 4th down play, this time on defense. When our d lineman apparently jumped offsides, it looked to me like he never encroached the line of scrimmage. Now I agree that in that situation you have to be more disciplined because that’s what the refs are looking for but I thought he never crossed the LOS. I could be wrong as I haven’t gone back to look at it but that was my thought in real time.

 

[Headed For Home]

What I remember about that play was that Milton was ready to receive the snap for a considerable time before the line was set. It seemed to me that several of the players were either confused or taking a breather

 

[cgbtn]

Someone asked on here a couple of days ago why we don't go fast any more. WE have a QB with a cannon arm and a water pistol mind.

 

[SpookyAction]

Good question.
The ball was live. Milton wasn't seeing the field. He was laser focused on the coaches. It was a test of Joe's awareness and he was lacking.

Peyton's game/field awareness was his greatest gift as QB. He had excellent arm strength, below average speed, excellent accuracy, and otherworldly awareness and anticipation.

Looking at the center and Milton, I don't know that the center would have been savvy enough to snap it.
Milton wasn't the only player looking inadequate.

 

[TAF]

He DUMB....

 

[JoeMiltonsAgent]

All valid points itt but has anyone seen Miiton throw an orange?

 

[Volbrando]

I agree.
It also bothered me that he ran out of bounds on the 2 point conversion. He didn’t give our guys a chance to make a play.
Reminded me of when he ran out of bounds last year.

I believe Gaston or Nico either would be more efficient running the offense, BUT not having Mays out there at center was huge no matter whoever is at QB……..

completely agree with that... if he's going to run out of bounds you might as well throw it up for grabs in the endzone

 

[Volbrando]

What I remember about that play was that Milton was ready to receive the snap for a considerable time before the line was set. It seemed to me that several of the players were either confused or taking a breather

that is true... in the moment there was just a lot of confusion going on, both sides of the ball and with the coaches honestly... it was just a bizarre scenario.

 

[TennesseeTarheel]

What would Alex do?

 

[gobigorange91]

There were several times like this where all he had to do was snap the ball and it’s a free play because they have too many people on the field. You just HAVE to be aware of that and snap the ball. I was at the game screaming snap the ball. So frustrating. It’s plays like this that are glaring why Joe isn’t going to get it done. He’s done his best but he’s just not great at the little things.

 

[Gandalf]

There were several times like this where all he had to do was snap the ball and it’s a free play because they have too many people on the field. You just HAVE to be aware of that and snap the ball. I was at the game screaming snap the ball. So frustrating. It’s plays like this that are glaring why Joe isn’t going to get it done. He’s done his best but he’s just not great at the little things.

Yes, the whole point of CJH's "system", or at least one of the main thrusts of it, is to use the hurry up to get opponents out of position and to get them trying to sub like that and catch them out for the free yards. The opposing D gets super tired and is confused.

The problem is it looked more like WE were the ones that were confused.

 

[davethevol]

I’m willing to bet we would have been penalized for it and not Florida. Even Heupel was perplexed as to what was going on there with the refs moving the ball and Florida subbing. To me, that was willful interference by the refs and just another sign they were told who needed to win the game.

 

[uncle chewii]

I agree.
It also bothered me that he ran out of bounds on the 2 point conversion. He didn’t give our guys a chance to make a play.
Reminded me of when he ran out of bounds last year.

I think Joe is afraid of getting hit on runs. Look at the int he had. Also we have not done any RPO this year like we had with Hooker. So they tells me either Joe is not running it that way or CJH has changed this offense. The only way this offense works is you have to have a QB that can sell the RPO and Joe ain’t a salesman. Its either straight up pass or run.

 

[87&91ALUM]

IMHO this thread nails the issues at QB and with communication in general. It is like Milton needs a wireless earphone from CJH to tell him what to do 100% of the time. Absolutely not a field general or maybe even a private. This is not going to get better but, someone riding the bench could learn and be worth a bad season in 2023 after a really good season in 2022. I hate to see us continue in what seems like a three ring circus and not a well coached and talented team. If you want to bring in Joe to throw a 70 yard bomb we run under, if we can outrun the defenders, that appears to be half our offense. The other half is a running game with a lot of runners and no one apparently capable to popping consistent holes. Are we trash? Heck no! With the exceptions of UGA and Bama, I anticipate wins at home and close games on the road in the SEC. Nashville Bowl here we come.

 

[Voldawg1970]

Deer in headlights syndrome was all night. He can't run the hurry up so there needs to be a change. He is only going to be a setup QB. He has to have time to digest the play. The scary part is if he can consistently read the defense and the receiver options. If not then he ha to come off the field and honestly that seems to be a problem. Yes, I know, he made some good passes in the second half and the lang ball was nice. He can thro a long ball but that becomes easily defendable by most defenses. He doesn't have the variety and decisiveness to throw the ball all over the field. Thats a huge problem. My hope is we are able to establish a running game but with the current OL that's going to be a problem.

 

[UT_Tix79]

I’m willing to bet we would have been penalized for it and not Florida. Even Heupel was perplexed as to what was going on there with the refs moving the ball and Florida subbing. To me, that was willful interference by the refs and just another sign they were told who needed to win the game.

They didn’t allow Florida to sub. The ball was kicked, it was quickly moved back into place, and we didn’t snap the ball for like another 12 seconds. We could have, there was nothing stopping us, but Milton was staring at the sidelines trying to figure out what to do while Florida subbed their whole DL. We snap it, we get a free play, and worse case scenario it’s a first down. It was all on Milton, not the refs

 

[posivol]

So I can’t for the life of me understand why this isn’t being extensively talked about. But on the play where the official kicked the ball…We gave up an easy opportunity at a first down and free play. It was obvious when it happened. I didn’t know why the official came back in after initially spotting the ball, but he quickly respotted the ball and then hustled back out of the way. The center had the ball and you could tell we were ready to go.

Yet, Florida decides to sub and you see their entire front line cross the line of scrimmage jogging towards their sidelines. I was screaming at the TV snap the ball… Snap the damn ball! Milton just stared at the sidelines (like the deer in the headlights) for what seems like forever. It almost felt like we waited until their entire new unit came in and got set. What the hell were we waiting for? Our center had the ball in the official wasn’t standing in his vicinity. We were clearly ready for play.

Were the coaches screaming at him to snap the ball? We gave up such an easy opportunity at a first down there.

Some people on here can’t see beyond the stats with Milton (which aren’t horrific) and say he’s not great, but he’s not terrible. But I’d argue there are so many little things a qb does that make an offense work. And he doesn’t do most of those extra/veteran/savvy things. He burned 2 TOs on the first drive the second half. We had to burn one TO coming out of a tv timeout. They kept disguising their defense and around eight seconds left on the play clock would shuffle around. Almost every time Milton would react by trying to change the play. You can’t do that on the road. Everybody knows that. It’s literally the whole basis for the crowd making noise when the home team is on defense.

He just can’t process a lot of information at once (as great qbs need to do). The qbs job is to keep the chains moving. It’s that simple. You keep the chains moving most of the time, you will win most of the time.

Milton is never making the savvy plays (you sometimes see other qbs make) to keep the chains moving. He throws the ball down the field into tight coverage on third and six when there is a clear open running lane. Or he’ll throw short of the sticks when that is clearly what the defense hopes for as they’ve intentionally left a cushion there.

thats coaching bro..milton is a robot and runs whats hes told to run.

 

[chattavol420]

Yes, the whole point of CJH's "system", or at least one of the main thrusts of it, is to use the hurry up to get opponents out of position and to get them trying to sub like that and catch them out for the free yards. The opposing D gets super tired and is confused.

The problem is it looked more like WE were the ones that were confused.

This is a great point. In the post, I mentioned that it felt like all night long we were taking a long time to get the ball snapped. We would be set, and then Florida’s defense would adjust with under 10 seconds left on the play clock. Their goal of course is not to show their hand too early. Then inexplicably, Milton would approach the line and try to change the play. But, of course, there is not enough time for that.
So your point is why were we sitting around and waiting for the Defense to adjust? That is the whole basis of going fast. When we just line up and go and it doesn’t get the Defense time to adjust based on your formation.
I don’t know why we have change the whole system this year. My guess would be it’s the guy under center.

 

[sjt18]

So I can’t for the life of me understand why this isn’t being extensively talked about. But on the play where the official kicked the ball…We gave up an easy opportunity at a first down and free play. It was obvious when it happened. I didn’t know why the official came back in after initially spotting the ball, but he quickly respotted the ball and then hustled back out of the way. The center had the ball and you could tell we were ready to go.

Yet, Florida decides to sub and you see their entire front line cross the line of scrimmage jogging towards their sidelines. I was screaming at the TV snap the ball… Snap the damn ball! Milton just stared at the sidelines (like the deer in the headlights) for what seems like forever. It almost felt like we waited until their entire new unit came in and got set. What the hell were we waiting for? Our center had the ball in the official wasn’t standing in his vicinity. We were clearly ready for play.

Were the coaches screaming at him to snap the ball? We gave up such an easy opportunity at a first down there.

Some people on here can’t see beyond the stats with Milton (which aren’t horrific) and say he’s not great, but he’s not terrible. But I’d argue there are so many little things a qb does that make an offense work. And he doesn’t do most of those extra/veteran/savvy things. He burned 2 TOs on the first drive the second half. We had to burn one TO coming out of a tv timeout. They kept disguising their defense and around eight seconds left on the play clock would shuffle around. Almost every time Milton would react by trying to change the play. You can’t do that on the road. Everybody knows that. It’s literally the whole basis for the crowd making noise when the home team is on defense.

He just can’t process a lot of information at once (as great qbs need to do). The qbs job is to keep the chains moving. It’s that simple. You keep the chains moving most of the time, you will win most of the time.

Milton is never making the savvy plays (you sometimes see other qbs make) to keep the chains moving. He throws the ball down the field into tight coverage on third and six when there is a clear open running lane. Or he’ll throw short of the sticks when that is clearly what the defense hopes for as they’ve intentionally left a cushion there.

Yes. On the replay you can see Heupel frantically trying to get them to get back and snap the ball.

There will be some here who argue the point so you may want to grab the clip. The official didn't stand over the ball or allow UF to sub.