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I forget who, but after a tough loss during one of the Dooley years, someone posted a thread that more or less said "You can't blame a dog for being a dog." Probably a good thing to keep in mind.

The feelings of frustration are more a result of our irrational expectations….not of this team necessarily under performing. We are not a good team…nor have we been for a long time. Like most of you, I have a hopeful feeling every Saturday that we are going to win, regardless of the opponent, but I have stopped expecting a victory. Why should we expect it? You can argue that we have an elite, veteran offensive line, but if you've seen anything consistently elite about them all year I challenge you present it. No one wants to hear this again and again and again, but this turnaround will take time. We have, and are getting, some young talented players. Let them grow and we should reap our rewards.
 
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VolinNooga14 said:
I forget who, but after a tough loss during one of the Dooley years, someone posted a thread that more or less said "You can't blame a dog for being a dog." Probably a good thing to keep in mind.

The feelings of frustration are more a result of our irrational expectations….not of this team necessarily under performing. We are not a good team…nor have we been for a long time. Like most of you, I have a hopeful feeling every Saturday that we are going to win, regardless of the opponent, but I have stopped expecting a victory. Why should we expect it? You can argue that we have an elite, veteran offensive line, but if you've seen anything consistently elite about them all year I challenge you present it. No one wants to hear this again and again and again, but this turnaround will take time. We have, and are getting, some young talented players. Let them grow and we should reap our rewards.
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I truly expected a 6-6 team this year. And for what we've all seen over the last 4 years, this team is obviously not very good. However no matter what hand this coaching staff was dealt, they should have won this game. The important thing Coach Jones should remember is a man takes responsibility and should be accountable.

I genuinely hope that they can get this thing turned around but the time for excuses has passed. There were many opportunities in the game to secure a win and give this team a chance to compete in a bowl game going into next week's game. This loss should be placed squarely on the shoulders of these seniors and this coaching staff.
 
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Here is the real perspective. 6-6 would have been nice, but it never was about this year. We have a great class coming in. With that talent, and another year removed from the Dooley culture, we should see significant progress next year.

Now, if we are at the same place this time next year, I will be worried.

But, even then, Butch will at least have players on the team that would give the next coach something to work with. Let's face it, this team was limited offensively even if everything went right. Throw in a third (maybe fourth) string true freshman playing half the games at QB, it should be no surprise that we are struggling.
 
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memvol said:
I truly expected a 6-6 team this year. And for what we've all seen over the last 4 years, this team is obviously not very good. However no matter what hand this coaching staff was dealt, they should have won this game. The important thing Coach Jones should remember is a man takes responsibility and should be accountable.

I genuinely hope that they can get this thing turned around but the time for excuses has passed. There were many opportunities in the game to secure a win and give this team a chance to compete in a bowl game going into next week's game. This loss should be placed squarely on the shoulders of these seniors and this coaching staff.
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i agree.horrible coaching cost them in this game
 
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If the coaching doesn't improve ALOT then it won't matter what kind of "young talented players" UT brings in.
 
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This class loses a few key commits and it could start to fall apart quickly. We can't forget we have none of those recruits signed, we can only hope we don't lose many. I hope we can hold a top 15 class.
 
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VolinNooga14 said:
I forget who, but after a tough loss during one of the Dooley years, someone posted a thread that more or less said "You can't blame a dog for being a dog." Probably a good thing to keep in mind.

The feelings of frustration are more a result of our irrational expectations….not of this team necessarily under performing. We are not a good team…nor have we been for a long time. Like most of you, I have a hopeful feeling every Saturday that we are going to win, regardless of the opponent, but I have stopped expecting a victory. Why should we expect it? You can argue that we have an elite, veteran offensive line, but if you've seen anything consistently elite about them all year I challenge you present it. No one wants to hear this again and again and again, but this turnaround will take time. We have, and are getting, some young talented players. Let them grow and we should reap our rewards.
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I agree with nothing in this post. Literally, nothing.
 
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sjt18 said:
If the coaching doesn't improve ALOT then it won't matter what kind of "young talented players" UT brings in.
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If Bayjay and Jancek are both around and performing in a similar fashion for year three, the following off season will be interesting.
 
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If Shaw doesn't get hurt, we lose the South Carolina game. Then Butch's best performance so far would be "almost" beating UGA and avoiding a home loss to South Alabama.
 
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VolinNooga14 said:
I forget who, but after a tough loss during one of the Dooley years, someone posted a thread that more or less said "You can't blame a dog for being a dog." Probably a good thing to keep in mind.

The feelings of frustration are more a result of our irrational expectations….not of this team necessarily under performing. We are not a good team…nor have we been for a long time. Like most of you, I have a hopeful feeling every Saturday that we are going to win, regardless of the opponent, but I have stopped expecting a victory. Why should we expect it? You can argue that we have an elite, veteran offensive line, but if you've seen anything consistently elite about them all year I challenge you present it. No one wants to hear this again and again and again, but this turnaround will take time. We have, and are getting, some young talented players. Let them grow and we should reap our rewards.
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I don't think 6-6 was too unrealistic.

Also what makes these situations very frustrating is there were MANY of us who tried to say 6-6 was probably a realistic goal, and were labeled "NegaVols" and the majority didn't want to hear it. And now we're here and some of the same people who denounced 6-6 as realistic are now acting like it would have been silly to expect anything better (not saying you are one of these but there are a ton here).
 
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I keep seeing everyone talk about this great class coming in next year, and I watch Rivals just like the rest of you. However, the "next class" hasn't been signed yet. I've learned to take a 'wait and see' approach on whether this staff comes through on recruiting, because at the moment I'm a little disappointed with everything else.
 
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volgrad500 said:
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If Shaw doesn't get hurt, we lose the South Carolina game. Then Butch's best performance so far would be "almost" beating UGA and avoiding a home loss to South Alabama.
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It is kind of scary to think had we not pulled off that game winning drive, we'd be 3-8 and possibly going for a winless SEC season.
 
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25801VOL said:
We didn't deserve to win the game. We couldn't convert any of the give aways into points. Our offensive scheme is pathetic. My take on butch is that it looks like more of the same. This season has been an outright failure and I cant wait until next season to see if we can somehow become a .500 football team. We were out played, coached and most disappointed in the fact that we were out hearted and out schemed by Vandy.
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I agree with 99% of your comments. The only thing is out hearted maybe it was just that the coaching is not or has not been there for 4 years.

I have stated that I thought we were overachieving early in the season and after the Georgia game, but got slammed for it so I drank more kool aide.

This kids played with a lot of heart tonight but at times I got scared because at times CBJ looked just like Dooley on the sidelines tonight. His motivation and leadership was missing tonight....almost like a deer in the headlight look. It was like he knew it was over a quarter and a half into the game or maybe he was pissed about the play calling.

Everybody knows that our offensive line is overrated and they continuously validated it game after game this year. Not once did they ever come close to dominating the line of scrimmage against a quality opponent. Maybe a period or two in the USCe game.

I believe that this type of offense will work in the SEC but I am not sure if this current staff is capable of teaching or play calling it to the level of efficiency needed to produce the desired results. It may not be talent as much as it is coaching it. Our staff, seems to be the issue here because this offense has got to be instinctive in nature and our staff seems to second guessing the play calling.

The jury will be out at the end of the season and most likely some have already ruled regarding CBJ and staff, regardless, he will be here more than two more years, but two more losing seasons he should be gone. Stj made a statement that CBJs demise could hang on his failure to change out the staff and he could be right.

Defensively, no improvement for this game. God I would give a nut for 3rd and Chavis right now and I would not mind a cutcliff type offensive play called game.

At least I would be comfortable knowing what team and the standards of players we would see on the field.

We would have fixed the LOS problems if Fulmer was still around. He knew how to coach lines.
 
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sjt18 said:
If the coaching doesn't improve ALOT then it won't matter what kind of "young talented players" UT brings in.
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Spot on. Dooley recruited talent. Just couldn't coach. Same exact thing with kiffin at usc
 
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If this, If that. I love how you can throw out "what if" scenarios to be negative. Shows a lot about your perspective.
If we don't fumble at Georgia we win that game.
If we don't lose North we could have won this game.
If we had Worley he would have managed this game better and we win it handily

IF you were realistic you would understand that no matter the coach this team needs to be rebuilt and cannot be turned on a dime.
 
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volgrad500 said:
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If Shaw doesn't get hurt, we lose the South Carolina game. Then Butch's best performance so far would be "almost" beating UGA and avoiding a home loss to South Alabama.
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If Pig doesn't fumble during the UGA game and block in the back this game, we're sitting at 6-5 right now and people are slobbering all over Jones and Co.

The "what if" game is fun.

(By no means am I down on Pig, just using an example of how tiny changes can potentially effect outcome in large ways-just as you are.)
 
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daj2576 said:
If Pig doesn't fumble during the UGA game and block in the back this game, we're sitting at 6-5 right now and people are slobbering all over Jones and Co.

The "what if" game is fun.

(By no means am I down on Pig, just using an example of how tiny changes can potentially effect outcome in large ways-just as you are.)
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Well, good, because that was my point. The perspective is changed by a few key plays. And the perspective after tonight took a hit-whtether that's fair or not.
 
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warhammer said:
I agree with nothing in this post. Literally, nothing.
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So...
- we are getting young, talented players.
- our offensive line isn't consistently elite.
- we haven't been good for years.

Which of those do you agree with "literally" nothing?
 
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VolinNooga14 said:
So...
- we are getting young, talented players.
- our offensive line isn't consistently elite.
- we haven't been good for years.

Which of those do you agree with "literally" nothing?
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I stand corrected. The team has sucked for years now, and recruiting appears to be going well.

Concerning the offensive line you actually said,

VolinNooga14 said:
You can argue that we have an elite, veteran offensive line, but if you've seen anything consistently elite about them all year I challenge you present it.
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In reality, I can't argue that this O line is elite in any sense unless it is that they are elite at being overrated. Your original and follow on comment implies they are elite at times.


So, there you go. You are correct. I apologize and will try to better phrase any response I might make should I encounter another post filled with foolery and drivel.
 
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The problem is, it isn't any one thing. We have a shortage of talent, the coaches can't seem to coach up what talent we do have, our playcalling has not been stellar, players can't seem to execute the plays that are called, we have four highly-recruited QBs, none of whom can play, our WRs drop almost every pass if the QB can even get it there, and a steady slew of ranked opponents are taking it to us in historic fashion every week. That all adds up to 4-7, and it's tough to find pride in that.
 
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