Pete Hegseth, Trump Dept of Defense nominee…

[lawgator1]

Hillary was using a normal e-mail server in her house for classified. This was an encrypted app used for non-classified information.

Do you really think anyone is buying the notion that this was unclassified ?

Of all the lame arguments the administration has offered, this one, by far, is the most idioitc.

 

[hog88]

That's cutting off their nose to spite their face. They work for Trump. It makes no sense

After the last 8 years you're still surprised people act that way? Come on.

 

[hog88]

Do you really think anyone is buying the notion that this was unclassified ?

Of all the lame arguments the administration has offered, this one, by far, is the most idioitc.

Technically it's unclassified if the administration says it's unclassified.

 

[DaddyChad]

Technically it's unclassified if the administration says it's unclassified.

Exactly. Argument is should it have been classified.

There is really no argument that Goldberg shouldn’t have been in there. Whether he was added from malice or incompetence doesn’t matter. Whoever added him should be fired. Probably going to say Walz contacts were hacked and modified at some point soon imo.

 

[Sandman 423]

Do you really think anyone is buying the notion that this was unclassified ?

Of all the lame arguments the administration has offered, this one, by far, is the most idioitc.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

Technically it's unclassified if the administration says it's unclassified.

Technically you're a dumbass if you believe launch information in unclassified information. I guess going forward, they can just post all information on X.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

This is the absolute worst timeline to live in. People twist themselves into pretzels to appease incompetent people.

 

[DaddyChad]

Technically you're a dumbass if you believe launch information in unclassified information. I guess going forward, they can just post all information on X.

And yet he’s not wrong.

 

[DaddyChad]

This is the absolute worst timeline to live in. People twist themselves into pretzels to appease incompetent people.

We had a Fing vegetable as commander in chief for the previous administration. Twisting here isn’t nearly as much of a stretch.

 

[hog88]

Technically you're a dumbass if you believe launch information in unclassified information. I guess going forward, they can just post all information on X.

Well you just proved how ignorant you are of the subject. Outside of nuclear weapons POTUS can declare anything unclassified. He needs no ones approval, permission or review. So if the administration says it wasn't classified, it wasn't classified.

 

[Ashevolle]

Well you just proved how ignorant you are of the subject. Outside of nuclear weapons POTUS can declare anything unclassified. He needs no ones approval, permission or review. So if the administration says it wasn't classified, it wasn't classified.

Are you claiming it wasn't classified at the time it was divulged? They can certainly declassify it after-the-fact in a weak attempt at saving face, but if you believe it wasn't classified at the time then, well, bless your heart.

 

[hog88]

Are you claiming it wasn't classified at the time it was divulged? They can certainly declassify it after-the-fact in a weak attempt at saving face, but if you believe it wasn't classified at the time then, well, bless your heart.

I believe that it SHOULD have been classified and never put in that chat. But again, if the administration says it wasn't then it wasn't. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

 

[n_huffhines]

I believe that it SHOULD have been classified and never put in that chat. But again, if the administration says it wasn't then it wasn't. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

The people who righteously ****ed up started off their defense with the stupidest bold faced lies that everybody knew weren't true, then as they had more time to think of lies, they pivoted and came up with a better one. It was never classified. OK. Sure. Some people buy that. It's not worth arguing with them about it, I can tell you that much.

 

[hog88]

The people who righteously ****ed up started off their defense with the stupidest bold faced lies that everybody knew weren't true, then as they had more time to think of lies, they pivoted and came up with a better one. It was never classified. OK. Sure. Some people buy that. It's not worth arguing with them about it, I can tell you that much.

Exactly, it's not worth arguing about.

 

[n_huffhines]

Exactly, it's not worth arguing about.

How many posts have you dedicated to arguing about it again?

 

[hog88]

How many posts have you dedicated to arguing about it again?

Several, just like you. But it's whether the info included in the chat was classified is not worth arguing about since the administration says it wasn't classified.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

We had a Fing vegetable as commander in chief for the previous administration. Twisting here isn’t nearly as much of a stretch.

That "vegetable" can intellectually run circles around you. Stick to what you're good at, licking boots.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Do you really think anyone is buying the notion that this was unclassified ?

Of all the lame arguments the administration has offered, this one, by far, is the most idioitc.

The guy with classification authority says its unclassified, now you can have the opinion that it should be classified just like you could say George Bush shouldn't have disclosed shock and awe.

Not sure what the difficulty is here?

Of all the lame arguments the administration has offered, this one, by far, is the most idioitc.

But its not really an argument, its a fact.

 

[DaddyChad]

That "vegetable" can intellectually run circles around you. Stick to what you're good at, licking boots.

 

[VOLLeeann]

Drunken Ignorance

 

[LSU-SIU]

that all got cleared BEFORE it went to the news. that is the difference. it was purposefully released AFTER it had been reviewed and approved to be shared.

surely you see a difference between a group chat between cabinet members and a press conference in front of the media.

Approved by whom? Himself? He is the head of the agency with classification authority.

surely you see a difference between a group chat between cabinet members and a press conference in front of the media.

If he deemed it unclassified, he could have had it in front of the media. Which is basically what the Bush administration did with shock and awe. You guys are confusing opinion with a fact, the classification authority said it was unclass. You are free to have the opinion that it should be classified, the fact is it wasn't. Just like shock and awe material was unclass to give to the media so they could set up their cameras.

A select few are unable to figure out one is a fact and the other is an opinion.

 

[BeardedVol]

Well you just proved how ignorant you are of the subject. Outside of nuclear weapons POTUS can declare anything unclassified. He needs no ones approval, permission or review. So if the administration says it wasn't classified, it wasn't classified.

How did Trump preemptively declassify the information, when he says didn't even know about the chat?

 

[LSU-SIU]

The people who righteously ****ed up started off their defense with the stupidest bold faced lies that everybody knew weren't true, then as they had more time to think of lies, they pivoted and came up with a better one. It was never classified. OK. Sure. Some people buy that. It's not worth arguing with them about it, I can tell you that much.

Whether it was classified or not is not material as he was the head of the agency and had classification authority, so he has declassification authority. If the data, information or record was originated by another agency, than declassification would be more complex... that is not an issue here.

Executive Orders

 

[rjd970]

Several, just like you. But it's whether the info included in the chat was classified is not worth arguing about since the administration says it wasn't classified.

This is technically correct, but one has to wonder had this never happened if the administration would considered the information classified.

It's hard for me to think that from a national security concern perspective the information was unclassified, which leaves the administration saying its's unclassified as political CYA. In that case, it's almost a worse look for the admin for using national security as a political safety net.

Some of this is similar to the GWB days in the lead up to Iraq. Unless Bob Woodward's book was a complete fabrication it clearly detailed how the GWB administration would intentionally classify/de-classify information depending almost exclusively on if it supported the WMD narrative. It's a slippery slope when classification determinations are made for political reasons and not national security...and generally doesn't work out very well in the end.

 

[hog88]

This is technically correct, but one has to wonder had this never happened if the administration would considered the information classified.

It's hard for me to think that from a national security concern perspective the information was unclassified, which leaves the administration saying its's unclassified as political CYA. In that case, it's almost a worse look for the admin for using national security as a political safety net.

Some of this is similar to the GWB days in the lead up to Iraq. Unless Bob Woodward's book was a complete fabrication it clearly detailed how the GWB administration would intentionally classify/de-classify information depending almost exclusively on if it supported the WMD narrative. It's a slippery slope when classification determinations are made for political reasons and not national security...and generally doesn't work out very well in the end.

I 100% agree.