Peyton and The Big Ones

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For years the ONLY knock on Peyton was "he can't win the big ones". He finally dispelled that notion by winning a Super Bowl. Or did he? Years ago I saw a special-may have been on NFL Network-before he won the Super Bowl and they harped on the fact he hadn't one a Super Bowl AND he couldn't beat Spurrier and the Gators. You guys think there's anything to it and his only SB was a fluke?
 
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I know HE'S made all pro recievers out of avg recievers in the NFL and lets face it, other than a few good RB's in college he hasn't had much or equal talent around him. Could that be because of his high salary in the NFL?
 
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My opinion Peyton gets too much credit for his teams when they win and too much negativity when they lose. Peyton is my favorite of all time and so many fail to understand it takes a complete team to win it all. Yes I believe a dominant defense trumps a dominant offence see seattle this year and Tennessee in Brays senior year! Go Peyton win it this year and retire, Elway is given him the pieces to do just that.
 
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Attributing wins/losses to anyone in a team sport is foolish. In fact, your inclusion of Spurrier in the equation helps prove the point. Did Manning lose or did Fulmer? If not Fulmer than how about Chavis? How come you mention Manning losing and not the FL QB winning?

The most F'd up thing in all of sports is the fixation on individual players in team sports. This is even more the case in football where entire squads of guys are off the field depending on who has the ball. There has never, not once, been a single player that won or lost football game. Certainly some have a good deal more influence on the outcome than others (for good or ill) but that doesn't change the fact of the matter one iota.
 
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knoxvols11 said:
For years the ONLY knock on Peyton was "he can't win the big ones". He finally dispelled that notion by winning a Super Bowl. Or did he? Years ago I saw a special-may have been on NFL Network-before he won the Super Bowl and they harped on the fact he hadn't one a Super Bowl AND he couldn't beat Spurrier and the Gators. You guys think there's anything to it and his only SB was a fluke?
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I know that every once in a while that even a blind squirrel gets a nut, but who the hell was beating Florida in the 1990's????

Yes, Nebraska beat them once, Florida State beat them once , We beat them 3 times, once with Al Wilson and twice with Clausen....

It wasn't that Peyton couldn't beat Florida, Hell no body was beating them......
 
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knoxvols11 said:
For years the ONLY knock on Peyton was "he can't win the big ones". He finally dispelled that notion by winning a Super Bowl. Or did he? Years ago I saw a special-may have been on NFL Network-before he won the Super Bowl and they harped on the fact he hadn't one a Super Bowl AND he couldn't beat Spurrier and the Gators. You guys think there's anything to it and his only SB was a fluke?
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Concerning the SuperBowl win against Chicago, Yes, I think there needs to be a "star" by that win. Because Rex Grossman was the q.b. for the Chicago Bears...
 
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jacobyvoln27 said:
My opinion Peyton gets too much credit for his teams when they win and too much negativity when they lose. Peyton is my favorite of all time and so many fail to understand it takes a complete team to win it all. Yes I believe a dominant defense trumps a dominant offence see seattle this year and Tennessee in Brays senior year! Go Peyton win it this year and retire, Elway is given him the pieces to do just that.
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Peyton can't retire yet. He has to play two more seasons.

I want to see him break Favre's record for most yards for a career and most t.d.'s for a career and most career wins by a q.b.

He can't get the record for the most conseq. games played as a q.b. because he missed the 2011 season.
 
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There is a little bit of vindication that Peyton's super bowl win was against a team QB'd by a Gator.
 
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I'm just glad for Peyton he will not be like Marino and Kelly and others who were great but not a SB ring.
 
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I guess the explanation point on Peyton's complete career will be how many records he holds when he retires, not how many SB's he didn't win for whatever reason. JMO.
 
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hndog609 said:
Attributing wins/losses to anyone in a team sport is foolish. In fact, your inclusion of Spurrier in the equation helps prove the point. Did Manning lose or did Fulmer? If not Fulmer than how about Chavis? How come you mention Manning losing and not the FL QB winning?

The most F'd up thing in all of sports is the fixation on individual players in team sports. This is even more the case in football where entire squads of guys are off the field depending on who has the ball. There has never, not once, been a single player that won or lost football game. Certainly some have a good deal more influence on the outcome than others (for good or ill) but that doesn't change the fact of the matter one iota.
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Choked,like he usually does

Tee did just fine with Fulmer and Chavis and yes one player can influence a game for the better or worse
 
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Rudy123 said:
Concerning the SuperBowl win against Chicago, Yes, I think there needs to be a "star" by that win. Because Rex Grossman was the q.b. for the Chicago Bears...
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So does Terry Bradshaw get one for his duel with Vince Ferragamo? :crazy:
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My recollection was Manning and offense were putting up 30+ in those Gator games and still getting beat. Last I checked he didn't play defense. Besides he beat Bama. 3 years in a row after they owned us for a decade, unless you don't count Alabama as a big game.
 
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Slydell said:
I guess the explanation point on Peyton's complete career will be how many records he holds when he retires, not how many SB's he didn't win for whatever reason. JMO.
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..and better to have lost a couple, than not to have played in them.
 
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Rudy123 said:
Concerning the SuperBowl win against Chicago, Yes, I think there needs to be a "star" by that win. Because Rex Grossman was the q.b. for the Chicago Bears...
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I'd have to agree. Grossman only threw for like 150 yards, and had 3-4 turnovers
 
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1974Vol said:
My recollection was Manning and offense were putting up 30+ in those Gator games and still getting beat. Last I checked he didn't play defense. Besides he beat Bama. 3 years in a row after they owned us for a decade, unless you don't count Alabama as a big game.
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IIRC, in most of those games FL jumped way out in front early and we were playing catchup the last 2 or 3 quarters.
 
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governmentmule said:
Choked,like he usually does

Tee did just fine with Fulmer and Chavis and yes one player can influence a game for the better or worse
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Actually that's a fantastic example of exactly what I'm talking about. In '98 Tee was 7 of 20 for 64yds. The offense as a whole managed 7 first downs. But oh yeah, "Tee beat Florida.".

The defense in general and Al Wilson in particular was way more responsible for that win.
 
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hndog609 said:
Actually that's a fantastic example of exactly what I'm talking about. In '98 Tee was 7 of 20 for 64yds. The offense as a whole managed 7 first downs. But oh yeah, "Tee beat Florida.".

The defense in general and Al Wilson in particular was way more responsible for that win.
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And Peyton threw for a gagillion yards in one of those losses, and the defense couldn't stop the fun and gun. Both sides of the argument have flaws. The issue isn't as simple as people want to believe
 
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Is the thread title "Peyton and the Big Ones" the name of a band? :happy:
 
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