Pivot East

#101
#101
Rasputin_Vol said:
It has more to do with Erdogan watching which direction the wind is blowing. He's an opportunist, no doubt. But he sees that the future of the world is moving east, not west.
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That has not a damn thing to do with it. It's 100% that NATO countries cannot stand with a brutal Islamic Regime and that is precisely what Turkey is turning into. Putin, he don't GAF.
 
#102
#102
hog88 said:
That has not a damn thing to do with it. It's 100% that NATO countries cannot stand with a brutal Islamic Regime and that is precisely what Turkey is turning into. Putin, he don't GAF.
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Don't put down Rastadamous predictions!
 
#103
#103
hog88 said:
That has not a damn thing to do with it. It's 100% that NATO countries cannot stand with a brutal Islamic Regime and that is precisely what Turkey is turning into. Putin, he don't GAF.
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They had no problems with Turkey before when ISIS oil convoys were rolling into Turkey or when weapons from Libya were being funneled to ISIS through Turkey.
 
#104
#104
Rasputin_Vol said:
They had no problems with Turkey before when ISIS oil convoys were rolling into Turkey or when weapons from Libya were being funneled to ISIS through Turkey.
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lets see what happened during that time. Of yeah there was a suspiciously small and easily put down coup, almost like he knew it was coming. He then imprisoned thousands who spoke out against him or he didn't like. rewrote the Constitution to give himself more power. Its a page out of Putin's handbook, no wonder he is going over and we don't mind seeing him go. if indeed he does go.
 
#107
#107
Turkey slams NATO for meddling with decision to buy S-400 from Russia

"We buy weapons from whomever we want to and we will not give account to NATO for this" Bahçeli said, adding that no one should wag fingers at Turkey from Brussels.

"Turkey can purchase any weapon from any country by paying the price in accordance with its needs," he added.
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Bahçeli also questioned NATO's benefits for Turkey. "When Turkey has been struggling with attacks threatening its security, what was NATO doing and planning?" he asked. He added that Turkey will not take NATO's remarks seriously if Turkey is under a threat.
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#109
#109
hog88 said:
Good, Turkey needs to GTFO of NATO and embrace their 3rd world Muslim dictatorship being Putin’s *****.
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QUESTION: Why would Turkey buy Russia’s inferior defense system when they have seen up close and personal, probably better than anyone else in Syria, how much better the US weapons system is?
 
#110
#110
Rasputin_Vol said:
QUESTION: Why would Turkey buy Russia’s inferior defense system when they have seen up close and personal, probably better than anyone else in Syria, how much better the US weapons system is?
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Because Putin doesn’t give a **** about brutal dictators or human rights. That’s why Erogan is cozying up to Russia.
 
#111
#111
hog88 said:
Because Putin doesn’t give a **** about brutal dictators or human rights. That’s why Erogan is cozying up to Russia.
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OK, let me try this again. Why would Turkey choose to buy an inferior Russian defense system when the US clearly has a better product?

That's all I'm asking.
 
#117
#117
lol. its cheaper.

also there seems to be a misconception with our stuff being better than theirs. Even if we are way better their stuff will still kill. so its not like they are buying from the ACME store.
 
#118
#118
hog88 said:
Because he’s a brutal dictator not abiding by the NATO agreements?
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Not so much that he is a brutal dictator... we have no problem with that. We just don't like dictators that we can't control.

In 3-5 years, Turkey and Saudia Arabia will go from being US/Western allies to brutal regimes that are under the control of Russia.
 
#119
#119
LouderVol said:
lol. its cheaper.

also there seems to be a misconception with our stuff being better than theirs. Even if we are way better their stuff will still kill. so its not like they are buying from the ACME store.
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Why would they settle for cheaper over better quality when it comes to security? And what are the privileges of being in NATO if you can't purchase the weapons you need at a good price?
 
#120
#120
Rasputin_Vol said:
Why would they settle for cheaper over better quality when it comes to security? And what are the privileges of being in NATO if you can't purchase the weapons you need at a good price?
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its a defensive alliance. you get attacked, your buddies roll up too.

I would need to see a cost difference and the performance difference to be able to say why they would settle. if its 10% less effective but 15% less, I would say the math works out.

It could be he is turning his back on NATO. no one on this side of the table will shed a tear to see them go. however you and Pacer will go from bashing them to praising them if they do flip.

could be a simple diversifying of defensive portfolios.

could be the last deal they had with NATO products came back short in some way and they are taking their dollars elsewhere as a sign of displeasure with the service, even if the products are fine.
 
#121
#121
Pakistan Ditches Dollar In Trade With China In Retaliation For Trump Twitter Meltdown

As we reported in December, Pakistan has been contemplating the move since last month's formal launch of the Long Term Plan for the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), signed by the two sides on November 21. The CPEC is a flagship project of China's Belt and Road initiative - the 3,000 km, over $50 billion corridor which stretches from Kashgar in western China to Gwadar port in Pakistan on the Arabian sea.

At that time the agreement was signed Pakistan's Minister for Planning and Development Ahsan Iqbal said that while Pakistani currency would be used within the country, China desired that bilateral trade should take place in yuan instead of dollars, in yet another push to de-dollarize what China considers its sphere of influence. "We are examining the use of yuan instead of the US dollar for trade between the two countries," Iqbal said in what was the earliest tip-off of this week's bombshell news, and added that the use of yuan was not against the interest of Pakistan. Rather, it would "benefit" Pakistan.
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#122
#122
You're going to continue to see more of this. Countries will continue focusing on China and russia. They all have a globalist agenda, the middle east especially will focus on China as the future.
 
#123
#123
omaha_vol said:
You're going to continue to see more of this. Countries will continue focusing on China and russia. They all have a globalist agenda, the middle east especially will focus on China as the future.
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That is what happens when our stature on the world stage is diminished by poor leadership.
 
#125
#125
Mick said:
That is what happens when our stature on the world stage is diminished by poor leadership.
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This is what happens as our fiat economy collapses and we can no longer strong arm the world stage into doing all oil business in the petrodollar. It's not Trump. It's 40 years of subletting our economic policies to the FED, coming home to roost.

The central bankers have squeezed everything they can from us/the West, now the world is moving on from us.
 
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