Play Calling

[vols3131]

I don't see how the vols are going to move the ball against anyone this year if the play calling don't get better. You can't expect to beat teams like Florida and LSU if your so predictable on offense. The only time that Randy Sanders will try and stretch a defense down field is on first down. Everyone is going to put 8 and 9 guys in the box to stop the running game all year long if the vols don't start stretching the field more. They can't expect to move the ball when the only passes that they can complete are little 3-6 yard dump passes out to a back or reciever. Those passes may work against teams like Kentucky and Vandy but not against talent loaded teams like UF, LSU, Bama, and ND. If the play calling doesn't get better it's going to be a long year. I don't really expect it to though because our offensive production has fallen every single year since Cutcliff left and Sanders took over. Don't get me wrong I'm a vol fan just as much as the next person but you just can't argue with that. Oh and I forgot to mention when Florida had the ball in the fourth quarter and it was 3rd down 19 yards to go Chavis decides he wants to call an all out blitz instead of dropping the line backers into coverage and keeping everything in front of them. Instead Florida coverts and put the game away on that drive when they should've been punting. Other than that Chavis called a good game. Props to the defense for 1 hell of a game with great intensity

 

[VolBeef88]

Originally posted by vols3131@Sep 19, 2005 9:45 AM
I don't see how the vols are going to move the ball against anyone this year if the play calling don't get better.  You can't expect to beat teams like Florida and LSU if your so predictable on offense.  The only time that Randy Sanders will try and stretch a defense down field is on first down.  Everyone is going to put 8 and 9 guys in the box to stop the running game all year long if the vols don't start stretching the field more.  They can't expect to move the ball when the only passes that they can complete are little 3-6 yard dump passes out to a back or reciever.  Those passes may work against teams like Kentucky and Vandy but not against talent loaded teams like UF, LSU, Bama, and ND.  If the play calling doesn't get better it's going to be a long year.  I don't really expect it to though because our offensive production has fallen every single year since Cutcliff left and Sanders took over.  Don't get me wrong I'm a vol fan just as much as the next person but you just can't argue with that.

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Florida did NOT stop the run! We stopped it ourselves! Riggs had 5.1 per carry and only got the ball 17 times! That is not getting stopped. We threw 10 times more than we ran! We were predictible because their D could release and blitz.

 

[vols3131]

Why could they do that? Because Randy Sanders kept calling dump passes the whole game that wouldn't get 4 yards instead of throwing the ball down field!!!!

 

[iznasty1981]

i agree 100%...Randy needs to get hit by a truck.

 

[patrick]

The bottom line is that Tennessee's offensive production has dropped every year since Cutcliff's departure. Play calling, coaching, execution, or a combination of all three; the talent level was not better under CUT. At some point, you have to look at coaching. The Volunteer offensive has been getting worse even year since CUT left. I will not be told by some of you fans, that is execution or this is a quarterback problem. Ainge and Clausen played well last year. Ainge has a cannon but maybe Rick knows the offense better. the future is ainge. you must let one take all the snaps. But that is another coaching decision!!!!!!!!!

 

[GAVol]

There's definitely an element of blame that falls on the shoulders of the coaches, but you are kidding yourself if you think this is not a QB problem too.

Cutcliffe was great, but having the likes of Heath Shuler and Peyton Manning whipping it all over the field probably didn't hurt.

 

[patrick]

Ga VOl you did not address the true issue: Offensive production>>>>>>> he has gotten worse every year since CUT left.

Why is that???

 

[GAVol]

Like I said, there is definitely an element that falls on the coaching staff. I won't deny that. The offense has gotten stale at times, but I just don't think you can compare it to the Manning years. There wasn't anywhere to go but down.

Just making the point that we were very fortunate in the mid 90s to have a couple of freaks of nature playing QB for us.

 

[vols3131]

Manning or Shuler wasn't the quarterback when UT won the National Championship. It was Tee Martin. He was able to make some huge plays when we needed them.

 

[therickbol]

Actually, to be completely objective UTK did throw the ball downfield against UF. The problem is that they didn't complete them. Our play calling was bad because we stopped running the ball. THE REASON we stopped running the ball was because we "thought" we had a mismatch with them playing man-to-man, one-on-one coverage in the secondary. We thought because our WR's are so good and because they we in the man-to-man that we had to take advantage of that mismatch. Well, from what I saw it wasn't a mismatch and we should have stuck with something we knew was working because they never stopped us from running the football.

 

[VolBeef88]

Originally posted by vols3131@Sep 19, 2005 10:47 AM
Manning or Shuler wasn't the quarterback when UT won the National Championship.  It was Tee Martin.  He was able to make some huge plays when we needed them.

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The big difference from that team and this one is that we ran first, then passed. We played UT ball. We did not do that this weekend and we could have.

 

[VolBeef88]

Originally posted by therickbol@Sep 19, 2005 10:57 AM
Actually, to be completely objective UTK did throw the ball downfield against UF. The problem is that they didn't complete them. Our play calling was bad because we stopped running the ball. THE REASON we stopped running the ball was because we "thought" we had a mismatch with them playing man-to-man, one-on-one coverage in the secondary. We thought because our WR's are so good and because they we in the man-to-man that we had to take advantage of that mismatch. Well, from what I saw it wasn't a mismatch and we should have stuck with something we knew was working because they never stopped us from running the football.

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You hit the nail on the head! ost-20645-1119625378:

 

[Low Country Vol]

If the vols would have decided to run that ball 50-60 times , UF d-line would have been decimated, and UT would have had a decisive advantage late in the game. When their starting D-Lineman was out for the game, that was the moment Fulmer and Sanders failed to sieze. They stuck to the pass game when for the most of the game was only a one posession game. The 3 and outs and lack of passing game kept the florida defense fresh in the 4th.

 

[holdemvol]

I agree that we should have run the ball more, and we had serveral opportunities for big plays down field. Clausen underthrew a couple when the WR had a couple of steps and Ainge overthrew a few. I think it was just as much of an problem as it was playcalling. The problem that I have is that so many posters cry about throwing the ball more and now that they did and we lost the playcalling is still not good enough. Bottom line is while the playcalling may not have been the best in the world, if we connect on even just one of the deep balls (the Ainge overthrow to hannon down the sideline comes to mind) and don't screw up special teams we win the game. We had mismatches with our WRs and just did not execute.

 

[volbrian]

Originally posted by VolBeef88@Sep 19, 2005 9:57 AM
Florida did NOT stop the run! We stopped it ourselves! Riggs had 5.1 per carry and only got the ball 17 times! That is not getting stopped. We threw 10 times more than we ran! We were predictible because their D could release and blitz.

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AMEN BRO!!! GR had 73 yards on 10 carries in the first half. Why do we even have to throw the ball when he is getting chucks of yards like that?

 

[21VOL]

lets at least run play action if we aren't going to run the ball..we don't disguise anything

 

[kiddiedoc]

Originally posted by therickbol@Sep 19, 2005 10:57 AM
THE REASON we stopped running the ball was because we "thought" we had a mismatch with them playing man-to-man, one-on-one coverage in the secondary.

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What kills me is that we went to a "mismatch" that only existed in the nebulous heads of our coaching staff and abandoned a MISMATCH that was obvious to everyone watching the game.

The more I think about it, the madder I get. :realmad:

 

[volbrian]

Originally posted by kiddiedoc@Sep 19, 2005 12:40 PM
What kills me is that we went to a "mismatch" that only existed in the nebulous heads of our coaching staff and abandoned a MISMATCH that was obvious to everyone watching the game.

The more I think about it, the madder I get.  :realmad:

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No, the mismatch was there. We had WRs all over the field in single coverage. We just didnt get them the ball.

 

[mikey]

Originally posted by kiddiedoc@Sep 19, 2005 12:40 PM
What kills me is that we went to a "mismatch" that only existed in the nebulous heads of our coaching staff and abandoned a MISMATCH that was obvious to everyone watching the game.

The more I think about it, the madder I get.  :realmad:

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...and everybody knows that the people watching the game know more than the coaching staff, right? That's why you get paid 6-7 figures a year to watch. :crazy:

 

[U-T]

Originally posted by vols3131@Sep 19, 2005 8:45 AM
I don't see how the vols are going to move the ball against anyone this year

Agree. We are destined to lost to everyone now.

 

[donsargegolf]

Originally posted by patrick@Sep 19, 2005 10:10 AM
The bottom line is that Tennessee's offensive production has dropped every year since Cutcliff's departure.  Play calling, coaching, execution, or a combination of all three; the talent level was not better under CUT.  At some point, you have to look at coaching.  The Volunteer offensive has been getting worse even year since CUT left.  I will not be told by some of you fans, that is execution or this is a quarterback problem.  Ainge and Clausen played well last year.  Ainge has a cannon but maybe Rick knows the offense better. the future is ainge.  you must let one take all the snaps.  But that is another coaching decision!!!!!!!!!

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Yep.

 

[allvol]

While I agree that the offensive gameplan against Florida was lacking, I do not presume that the Vols will continue to suck offensively for the remainder of the season. Any fan who lived through the 90's got the displeasure of losing to Florida and having to play "catchup" the rest of the year. However, then it was Spurrier, and now it is Meyers... and I think the Vols exposed his offense. The Gators will trip up at least 2 more times this year and the Vols need to be ready to take over the top spot in the East when they do.

Here are the Vols scores against Florida since Fulmer became coach and the following game's score:

*interim basis in 1992
** SECCG

1992* TN 31-FL 14; Tennessee 40 - Cincinnati 0
1993 FL 41-TN 34; Tennessee 42 - LSU 20
1994 FL 31-TN 0; Miss State 24 - Tennessee 21
1995 FL 62-TN37; Tennessee 52 - Miss State 14
1996 FL 35-TN 29; Tennessee 41 - Mississippi 3
1997 FL 33-TN 20; Tennessee 31 - Mississippi 17
1998 TN 20-FL 17; Tennessee 42 - Houston 7
1999 FL 23-TN 21; Tennessee 17 - Memphis 16
2000 FL 27-TN 23; Tennessee 70 - La Monroe 3
2001 TN 34-FL 32; LSU 31 - Tennessee 20**
2002 FL 30-TN 13; Tennessee 35 - Rutgers 14
2003 TN 24-FL 10; Tennessee 23 - South Carolina 20
2004 TN 30-FL 28; Tennessee 42 - La Tech 17

Since 1992, the Vols are:
11-2 in the next game after Florida; 7-1 after a loss; 4-1 after a win
1-1 if LSU is the next opponent; 1-0 after a loss; 0-1 after a win
5-2 if opponent is in the SEC; 4-1 after a loss; 1-1 after a win

1 opponent was ranked; #21 LSU in the 2001 SECCG

Record against 1st ranked opponent played after Florida game:
1992 #4 Alabama 17, Tennessee 10
1993 #2 Alabama 17, Tennessee 17
1994 #17 Washington State 9, Tennessee 10
1995 #12 Alabama 14, Tennessee 41
1996 #7 Alabama 13, Tennessee 20
1997 #13 Georgia 13, Tennessee 38
1998 #7 Georgia 3, Tennessee 22
1999 #10 Georgia 20, Tennessee 37
2000 #19 Georgia 21, Tennessee 10
2001 #21 LSU 31, Tennessee 20**
2002#6 Georgia 18, Tennessee 13
2003 #8 Georgia 41, Tennessee 14
2004 #8 Auburn 34, Tennessee 10

The Vols are:
6-6-1 against the 1st ranked opp. played after playing Florida; 1-4 after a win; 5-2-1 after a loss
3-4-1 against top 10; 1-3 after beating Florida; 2-1-1 after losing

 

[holdemvol]

I just do not understand how lack of always seems to be the fault of Sanders' playcalling. Is he an offensive mastermind? Absolutely not, but if we connect on the deep balls we did throw, if the O-line gives the QB time to throw the ball, and if special teams play is at least decent we win that game. Sanders did not over/underthrow a single receiver in that game nor did he drop any passes or screw up any special teams plays. Anytime you have a Big, fast receiver one on one with a small DB it is a mismatch because if you EXECUTE....make a good throw and catch the ball....that is a matchup you can exploit. There were several plays when our WR's had thier man beat we just did not make good throws. I am not a big fan of Sanders play calling myself but until our players execute the gameplan he has laid out and we still lose no one should claim it is all Sanders' fault which is all I hear anytime we don't just kill someone. No game plan will ever work unless properly executed. Yes, we should have stuck with the run, but half of the posters crying about that were crying because we don't throw enough two weeks ago.

 

[OWB]

Originally posted by holdemvol@Sep 19, 2005 3:43 PM
I just do not understand how lack of          always seems to be the fault of Sanders' playcalling.  Is he an offensive mastermind?  Absolutely not

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Why don't we have an offensive mastermind as the OC at TENNESSEE??

Like I said in another thread, we never even took applications when the OC position opened up. If you look at college football and the recruiting of players and coaches as a business, Sanders being the OC makes no sense at all. You recruit your coaches as you would the players. Sanders is NOT a top prospect. I woudn't even say he's in the top 50. No corporation is going to bring the mail boy up to vice president. It would be one thing to interview people and then still go with Sanders. It's another to just move him up without even taking applications.

You can't tell me that we couldn't get a big time OC to come to Tennessee. People would be lining up at the door with hopes of working within our program.

 

[VOL_AHOLIC]

sanders is only one to blame for the overall lack luster play UT has been doing.

i can tell you that..

1) receivers are supposed to block as well as catch the ball. not sanders.
2) tackling is something u learn early on football. KEEP YOUR HEAD UP!! not sanders.
3) throwing on 1st down is OKAY. well..
4) playing man to man coverage is OKAY. not sanders.
5) motivation motivation motivation. anyone can be blamed here. players, coaches, fans. Oh yes. the fans.

ps. if nothing changes soon, you can kiss our recruiting g-g-g-g-goodbye.