Play Calling

#26
#26
Originally posted by Orangewhiteblood@Sep 19, 2005 3:04 PM
Why don't we have an offensive mastermind as the OC at TENNESSEE?? 

Like I said in another thread, we never even took applications when the OC position opened up.  If you look at college football and the recruiting of players and coaches as a business, Sanders being the OC makes no sense at all.  You recruit your coaches as you would the players.  Sanders is NOT a top prospect.  I woudn't even say he's in the top 50.  No corporation is going to bring the mail boy up to vice president.    It would be one thing to interview people and then still go with Sanders.  It's another to just move him up without even taking applications.

You can't tell me that we couldn't get a big time OC to come to Tennessee.  People would be lining up at the door with hopes of working within our program.
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You know and speak the truth OWB. God bless you speaking it.
 
#27
#27
Originally posted by Orangewhiteblood@Sep 19, 2005 3:04 PM
Why don't we have an offensive mastermind as the OC at TENNESSEE?? 

Like I said in another thread, we never even took applications when the OC position opened up.  If you look at college football and the recruiting of players and coaches as a business, Sanders being the OC makes no sense at all.  You recruit your coaches as you would the players.  Sanders is NOT a top prospect.  I woudn't even say he's in the top 50.  No corporation is going to bring the mail boy up to vice president.    It would be one thing to interview people and then still go with Sanders.  It's another to just move him up without even taking applications.

You can't tell me that we couldn't get a big time OC to come to Tennessee.  People would be lining up at the door with hopes of working within our program.
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We all know why...Fulmer is loyal to his staff. I am not going to try and argue that Sanders is anywhere near the best we can get but my point is while the playcalling may not be the best it still gets it done when the players execute. I don't care if coach Cut or Norm Chow were OC it does not matter if you can't throw the ball where it needs to go or catch it when a decent throw is made. Now, does some of the lack of execution fall on the coaching staff? of course, ultimately it does but CPF should shoulder that responibility. Fulmer has just as much to do with gameplan as Sanders does and anyone who wants to argue that they should all go needs to look at CPF's winning percentage.
 
#28
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Originally posted by holdemvol@Sep 19, 2005 2:43 PM
I just do not understand how lack of          always seems to be the fault of Sanders' playcalling.  Is he an offensive mastermind?  Absolutely not, but if we connect on the deep balls we did throw, if the O-line gives the QB time to throw the ball, and if special teams play is at least decent we win that game.  Sanders did not over/underthrow a single receiver in that game nor did he drop any passes or screw up any special teams plays.  Anytime you have a Big, fast receiver one on one with a small DB it is a mismatch because if you EXECUTE....make a good throw and catch the ball....that is a matchup you can exploit.  There were several plays when our WR's had thier man beat we just did not make good throws.  I am not a big fan of Sanders play calling myself but until our players execute the gameplan he has laid out and we still lose no one should claim it is all Sanders' fault which is all I hear anytime we don't just kill someone.  No game plan will ever work unless properly executed.  Yes, we should have stuck with the run, but half of the posters crying about that were crying because we don't throw enough two weeks ago.
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He is hired and paid to get the plan executed, period. He cannot get it done. :banghead:
 
#29
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Originally posted by donsargegolf@Sep 19, 2005 3:20 PM
He is hired and paid to get the plan executed, period. He cannot get it done. :banghead:
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Case and point: how many jump balls did we throw against 5'8" corners. Even if the safeties are coming over to help it is worth a shot. Unless we give Ainge the ball, and give him permission to throw an interception here and there he is not going to take the kind of chances he took last year. Remember that Florida throw he made?

Not only that, we do not seem to be developing our offensive talent. That is the most concerning point to me.
 
#30
#30
Offensive mastermind won't do any good until the OC blocks, the WR's catch, and the special teams doesnt make constant mistakes
 
#31
#31
Originally posted by donsargegolf@Sep 19, 2005 3:20 PM
He is hired and paid to get the plan executed, period. He cannot get it done. :banghead:
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#32
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Originally posted by U-T@Sep 19, 2005 4:29 PM
won't do any good until the OC blocks,
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Now THAT I would like to see. I know what you meant though.
 
#33
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Until we abandoned the run QBs had plenty of time to step into the pocket and throw the ball.
 
#34
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Originally posted by donsargegolf@Sep 19, 2005 3:20 PM
He is hired and paid to get the plan executed, period. He cannot get it done. :banghead:
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To get the plan executed? :dunno: Again, how are dropped balls and overthrows his fault? I understand you don't like the man but I think if the defense sucked half of you would blame Sanders. I will ask this one more time....if we make good throws on the deep balls we did attempt and special teams dont screw up does anyone actually think we lose that game? I guess unless we rip good SEC defenses for 60 points a game it will never be good enough. Don't get me wrong I am not saying he is an excellent play caller but we still win when the players do thier job. That is the funny part about all of this I have not heard a peep about how our players need to step up and do what they are on scholarship for.....throwing, catching, blocking, etc...compared to the Sanders sucks threads.
 
#35
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Originally posted by U-T@Sep 19, 2005 3:29 PM
Offensive mastermind won't do any good until the OC blocks, the WR's catch, and the special teams doesnt make constant mistakes
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If HIS offense doesn't break down then we are not kicking! Then those mistakes don't happen. Thanks again RS. :banghead:
 
#36
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So the OL and WR's coach aren't too blame at all...nor the SP coach...just the OC?

About as logical as your spelling argument with two words incorrectly spelled in your post. :lol:
 
#37
#37
Originally posted by holdemvol@Sep 19, 2005 3:35 PM
To get the plan executed?  :dunno:  Again, how are dropped balls and overthrows his fault?  I understand you don't like the man but I think if the defense sucked half of you would blame Sanders.  I will ask this one more time....if we make good throws on the deep balls we did attempt and special teams dont screw up does anyone actually think we lose that game?  I guess unless we rip good SEC defenses for 60 points a game it will never be good enough.  Don't get me wrong I am not saying he is an excellent play caller but we still win when the players do thier job.  That is the funny part about all of this I have not heard a peep about how our players need to step up and do what they are on scholarship for.....throwing, catching, blocking, etc...compared to the Sanders sucks threads.
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He is paid big bucks to "Coach" these athletes up and to have them get the job done. Our recievers have been less than their best since Kippy Brown left the hill. Sanders is the OC, it's his(and only his) job to make them succeed. In the end it's his responsibility!!!!
 
#39
#39
Originally posted by U-T@Sep 19, 2005 3:38 PM
So the OL and WR's coach aren't too blame at all...nor the SP coach...just the OC?

About as logical as your spelling argument with two words incorrectly spelled in your post. :lol:
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Who is calling the plays?? He is using all the knowledge he gained from his mentor, your buddy, Johnny Majors. :birgits_giggle:
 
#40
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Originally posted by U-T@Sep 19, 2005 3:42 PM
:lol:

Blame whoever you can to make it Sanders fault
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Please define to me what is an Offensive Co-Ordinator. His job, his responsibilities and to whom he delegates to.
 
#41
#41
What good are plays unless the OL protects Ainge and/or the WR's catch the balls?

You can moan about Sanders all you want but their are OL and WR coaches that are supposed to solidify those positions. Sanders is supposed to make plays based on protection and catches
 
#42
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Originally posted by donsargegolf@Sep 19, 2005 3:36 PM
If HIS offense doesn't break down then we are not kicking! Then those mistakes don't happen. Thanks again RS. :banghead:
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This has become just plain stupid. Now Special teams mistakes are the fault of RS because they had to come in and play? Under that logic we should score a touchdown evrery time we get the ball. What about the muffed punt? I am interested in how that one was his fault. And as far as the blocked FG if Ainge throws an inch higher and the WR scoops it at the one then we would not have been kicking a FG. Once again, PLAYER EXECUTION. I guess if the defense was scored on more that would be Sanders fault because his offense broke down? How about if we ever have to kick into the wind, he didn't gamplan for mother nature well enough? I had a flat tire last week, maybe I should blame sanders for not petitioning TDOT to sweep my driveway. Ridiculous....
 
#43
#43
I say forget about what is Sanders fault or not and let's concentrate on why he is our OC in the first place.
 
#44
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Originally posted by donsargegolf@Sep 19, 2005 3:41 PM
He is paid big bucks to "Coach" these athletes up and to have them get the job done. Our recievers have been less than their best since Kippy Brown left the hill. Sanders is the OC, it's his(and only his) job to make them succeed. In the end it's his responsibility!!!!
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Wrong again...in the end it is the responsibility of Fulmer. This is why there are position coaches anyway. Why is none of the blame being put on the WR coach? Oh, that's right in the end it is the responsibility of the OC....but the last time I checked OC was not the highest branch on the coaching tree. God forbid we spread the blame...it ALL and I mean all, Spec. teams included is Sanders fault for some reason.
 
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