Players in the portal and sitting out of bowl games?

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EastTNVol423 said:
yeah. i think it should be more than 12 teams. do away with every bowl game that nobody goes to or watches. just have a big playoff.
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How long do you want the season to be? If it's going to be 8 months of football, do you still think we should call it "college" or "the NFL G League?"

I think there's TV revenue in playing 6 or 8 months a year so it might happen but I'm pretty sure that pushes "college" even further toward "pro."
 
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twigsxx2 said:
Money! Winning bowl game team gets 10k per player. MVP gets a 5k bonus. Loosing team gets 8k per player. Something like this would be an incentive to play plus potentially make performance bonuses.
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Vs multi million dollar NFL draft loss if they get hurt. 10k is probably less than some NFL players pay their yard guys.

Nevermind, that college football DEFINITELY wants to keep the ruse of "amateur athletics" alive as long as possible to avoid sharing TV revenue with the players.
 
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How about finding a way for the NFL to support and pay for its own professional minor league like MLB and the NBA and returning college football to a sport existing for its own sake. NCAA Division 1 programs literally bend themselves over for the good of pro ball and the benefit of just a very few of the hundreds of kids who enjoy playing the sport in college but who will never get a sniff from the pros. College football used to be about the schools and bowl games used to honor successful teams and benefit charities. They were enjoyable and virtually everyone played because it could lead to a championship designation. Now, with the rise of the No Fun League and the corresponding insistence on naming a "true" national college champion via a playoff, the college game is just along for the ride. Sad to me.

PS: It is extremely unlikely that any bowl eligible team will ever not be able to field a team because of opt outs and free agency (err, the transfer portal). I wouldn't worry about that. I worry about the integrity of the rest of it.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Name one besides the one OSU player who was hurt all season and still wouldn't be able to play much in the bowl game.
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I’m not going to get into that game. Common sense tells me that players would be less likely to opt out if infrastructure is in place that incentivizes the athletes to stick around.
 
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No real solutions from me but some random thoughts...

The NFL draft projections should be abolished. Draw a hard line (build a wall) between the NFL and college ball. Let those talented players dream big but don't let the Pros distract them. Your team gets your full attention. You want to leave as a junior and take your chances, say goodbye to your NIL and good luck to you and your new agent. The talk by the media is all you will have to go on. But we can't stop that.

NIL contracts could be written to penalize those who opt out of post season play. Those NIL sponsors could also take out insurance policies for players to protect potential, future earnings in the event of a senior-year injury. The worse the injury, the bigger the payout. These talented young men deserve to be paid for the chances they take. A four year scholarship is certainly a valuable benefit, but drop some dollars out of this multi-billion dollar business to give every player some lunch money.

Bowl games will soon be nothing more than a venue for the 12 team playoff, but the TV revenue and pay-outs will be as huge as ever. Find a formula to move some of that money to those CFP teams that will always struggle to break the top 12. Let their players go to Outback or help mom pay the light bill.

While we're on this subject, keep money out of high school football! Period!

Portal activity should be restricted until after the National Champion has been determined.

Adjust recruiting windows to allow for staff to work the Portal without hurting recruiting efforts.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. But there are things here that are broken and headed towards really broke, if no one fixes it.

Coffee running low... Boomer out.
 
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JBVolunteer said:
We are already seeing athletes on playoff teams opt out and it will only increase with expansion. By the end of the season; everyone is bruised and banged up… nobody is functioning at 100% which in itself leads to a higher likelihood of injury. Injury concerns are the primary driver at the moment. Unfortunately, there isn’t much that can be done about injuries in the game of football. I really think temporary NIL sponsorships are the only solution to keeping the best athletes engaged. There has to be an incentive for the athletes to give a damn about these bowl games.
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There's just not enough money to insure too many guys against the potential lost revenue from their draft status dropping if they get hurt.

Someone like Hyatt could drop to a 3rd round or below from a potential 1st round pick. That's millions of dollars in potential loss. No NIL is going to put up that kind of money for Jalin Hyatt. There's insurance available, but the schools don't want to pay that kind of money for one game and who can blame them?
 
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JBVolunteer said:
I’m not going to get into that game. Common sense tells me that players would be less likely to opt out if infrastructure is in place that incentivizes the athletes to stick around.
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Translation: you have no other examples, yet you'll continue to claim "players" are opting out with no real evidence.
 
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Two sides to every coin. I can somewhat see the logic in sitting to prevent injury and insure draft status, but the way most of us were raised would tell us that these guys are quitting on their team, teammates and coaches before the job is finished.
Not what most of us would do, I think, but it's a different world now.
 
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amstelman said:
No real solutions from me but some random thoughts...

The NFL draft projections should be abolished. Draw a hard line (build a wall) between the NFL and college ball. Let those talented players dream big but don't let the Pros distract them. Your team gets your full attention. You want to leave as a junior and take your chances, say goodbye to your NIL and good luck to you and your new agent. The talk by the media is all you will have to go on. But we can't stop that.

NIL contracts could be written to penalize those who opt out of post season play. Those NIL sponsors could also take out insurance policies for players to protect potential, future earnings in the event of a senior-year injury. The worse the injury, the bigger the payout. These talented young men deserve to be paid for the chances they take. A four year scholarship is certainly a valuable benefit, but drop some dollars out of this multi-billion dollar business to give every player some lunch money.

Bowl games will soon be nothing more than a venue for the 12 team playoff, but the TV revenue and pay-outs will be as huge as ever. Find a formula to move some of that money to those CFP teams that will always struggle to break the top 12. Let their players go to Outback or help mom pay the light bill.

While we're on this subject, keep money out of high school football! Period!
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Exactly how do you think you can legally keep the NFL or another entity from creating draft projections? Yeah, you can't.

Insurance is out there for draft loss but it's very expensive and only offered to the highest of the high on those draft projections you want to abolish.

Teams get decent bowl paydays but funneling money to the family, except via NIL, is not possible and the schools can't be involved in paying players. NIL cannot be "pay to play" or those athletes are professional football players, not amateurs. ESPN and Fox make their money whether the kids play or not, so they've no incentive to share their profit and there's always the next man up. ESPN racks up by hyping the "bowl experience" excitement and sometimes the brand of the schools involved. They could give less than a damn about the individual kids involved in the game.

So what kind of American wants to tell a high school kid with fame he can't profit from that fame? Kids using TikTok and whatever else get rich making stupid videos, so why shouldn't an athlete get rich for whatever someone wants to pay them to endorse? You'll lose that in court. Ask the NCAA.
 
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Percival said:
Two sides to every coin. I can somewhat see the logic in sitting to prevent injury and insure draft status, but the way most of us were raised would tell us that these guys are quitting on their team, teammates and coaches before the job is finished.
Not what most of us would do, I think, but it's a different world now.
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I get your point, but I also don't know that any of us could be sure what we'd do unless we were put in their shoes. I would like to think I would stick with the team to the end; however, if I grew up in a poor or even a middle class family and I knew that I would be receiving generational changing wealth if I simply avoid injury in a marginally meaningful bowl game, I suspect I'd give pretty significant thought to taking care of my existing and future family and loved ones, no matter how strongly I wanted to play. It is a matter of priorities, not character.
 
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Contracts is all that would keep players from opting out. SMU was way ahead of the game in this regard.
 
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Percival said:
Two sides to every coin. I can somewhat see the logic in sitting to prevent injury and insure draft status, but the way most of us were raised would tell us that these guys are quitting on their team, teammates and coaches before the job is finished.
Not what most of us would do, I think, but it's a different world now.
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It's interesting that we often complain that young people "don't make good decisions for their future" or "aren't looking at the long term picture and do things that put their future at risk" but....... let a guy do the right thing for his future and he's "letting down his team."

Yeah, if you think taking care of his family is less important than taking care of his teammates, you're the problem.
 
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JBVolunteer said:
I have better things to do than to engage with an obvious troll.
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Again, you said "players are opting out" but there is only 1 with context that is apparently too difficult for you to understand. And when pressed on it , you turn to the ol "common sense' BS to justify your conjecture.

So the only troll here is you because you just want to spout things with no actual facts to back it up
 
#43
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Coming from a time of playing both ways and special teams, you show up with a dirty dozen and give em hell. Don't see a reality where you'd not have enough to field a team unless you're just making an excuse not to play.
 
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Welcome to the new sports life we have. I've been a long anti-sitting out of players person, but now realize, this will be the future for us sports fans. We are avid, crazy, loyal fans to our team and we get butt hurt when we loose. But I've come to realize, the days of Jack Lambert, Ray Nitschke ( spelling) are long gone. Its now all about I, me and $$$. Now don't misunderstand. I don't blame a kid who has a legitimate shot to play in the nfl do what it takes to secure that future. Lets be real. a one time sign on bonus and first contract can set that young man up for life. It will enable him ( if prudent and wise) to take care of himself, his family and his kids for a lifetime. Remember a lot of these kids come from horrific or at least extremely modest backgrounds. It just saddens me that the team we cheer for and have anxiety attacks for, will not be the same team(s) we see in bowl games and CFP anymore. It will be very seldom a team doesnt suffer loss of players from the new wave. NIL money just adds to it. A kid in college now can make a tremendous amount of money well before even entering that first nfl contract. Don't think that can't ( even if underminingly) doesnt play a factor in playing not to get hurt, sitting out, playing. Who knows the impact. Every individual is different. NIL money will bring jealously among players into the mix. These young men will still be able to be great "team" players and gel into a team that loves and plays together as well as we saw this year. The bottom line is when the time comes, it will still be the new "way", me, I not us. Again, don't come at me, I still know its the kids right and his and his alone decision in the end. I know they are thinking of the future and what they can do to make it "big", big $$$. I'm simply saying the days of people putting team first are going away. Again, these kids were great team players, don't every say they weren't. I'm not just talking UT players here. This years UT team was the most excited I've been in a long time and I'm forever grateful of the work, dedication and time these young men put into a game, for us the fans and for their school. I personally think Hooker would have played if not hurt, Thats my opinion, I'm entitled. Hendon Hooker is a different breed of young man, he lives a faith driven life, and knows Gods is in control and his future is in HIS hands. I'm don't see him "fearing" worrying, whatever it is, that makes a player prompt to sit out. If he is intended to play in the nfl, he will. This is too long, just my thoughts and sadly, the future I see college sports. By the way, I've accepted it, and fully support these young men, no matter their decisions. I now will see bowl games as a reward and extra practice time to develop the next "man up". We will learn to depend on the Next man up from here on out. GO VOLS, BEAT CLEMSON !!! Hooker, Hyatt, Tillman, ( all the seniors) God Bless you, and thank you for coming to UT and bringing us "back". Your hard work did it. I thank you and look forward to watching you excel in the nfl.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
How long do you want the season to be? If it's going to be 8 months of football, do you still think we should call it "college" or "the NFL G League?"

I think there's TV revenue in playing 6 or 8 months a year so it might happen but I'm pretty sure that pushes "college" even further toward "pro."
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you want less football? it is basically a g league now. give me more games that matter
 
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EastTNVol423 said:
you want less football? it is basically a g league now. give me more games that matter
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I don't want less football and I'm fine if the SEC and B1G and a few others break off football from the NCAA and form a pro league but that's going to destroy a lot of smaller programs left in the NCAA.

The inability of a cupcake like Akron or whoever to get that big check from a big school will destroy their athletic budget not just for football.

Even the bigger schools like UT subsidize "non money making" sports with football revenue.

If it were just as simple as more football, sure. It's not.
 
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Give_Him_6! said:
My question is with so many players entering the portal and declaring for the NFL, how long will it be before a bowl eligible team has to cancel its invitation due to lack of players? What do you thank the NCAA should do to prevent this from happening?
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including walk-ons most schools have well over a 100 players available. They will have enough players to play in a bowl game. A&M is the current leader in players going into the portal with 22 and they will still have plenty of players to play.
 
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DuckinVol said:
Awesome. That way we can have a bunch of meaningless playoff games. Four teams currently, and at least one player has opted out. Playoffs haven’t solved a damn thing. In fact, they’ve hurt the game.
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One player has been opted out damn near all year due to nagging injury. This season i think we can agree on the two teams that probably will be in the championship but there are years where a worthy contender gets left out if it’s only the top two playing.
 
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