Playoff Suggestion

#27
#27
Booking a flight on a week's notice to fly across the country to watch the Vols play for the national title would be worth saving up for.
 
#29
#29
StoVol said:
How does the fcs survive without bowls? Playoffs maybe?
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ah, the fcs playoffs. Yet another example where you failed to do your homework.

While the FCS has a playoff, it is far from successful nor is it fair. Where the games are played is determined by (a) a financial guarantee then (b) seedings.


Site Determination. With regard to first-round, second-round, quarterfinal and semifinal sites, in addition to the criteria listed in Bylaw 31.1.3.2.1, the NCAA Division I Football Committee shall consider the following additional criteria when selecting playoff sites:

a. Prospective host institutions must submit the following minimum financial guarantees,
which shall be 75 percent of the estimated net receipts as submitted on the proposed
budget:
First round—$30,000
Second round—$30,000
Quarterfinal—$40,000
Semifinal—$50,000
b. If the minimum financial guarantees are met, the committee will award the playoff
sites to the top five seeded teams.
c. When determining host institutions for playoff games when both teams are unseeded,
criteria shall apply as follows: (1) quality of facility, (2) revenue potential plus estimated net receipts, (3)attendance history and potential, (4) team’s performance
(e.g., conference place finish, head-to-head results and number of Division I opponents), and (5) student-athlete well-being (e.g., travel, missed class time). d. If a second-round, quarterfinal or semifinal playoff site is not available due to the fact the institutions involved did not submit a proposed budget, the committee will contact the institutions and offer the opportunity to submit a bid at the current round’s minimum financial guarantee level. If seeded teams are not involved, the committee will determine the host institutions by applying the championship site-selection criteria in Bylaw
31.1.3.2.1.
e. If no institution is willing to submit a proposed budget at the current level, the previous round’s minimum financial guarantee will be offered. If seeded teams are not involved, the committee will determine the host institutions by applying the championship siteselection
criteria in Bylaw 31.1.3.2.1.http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/champ_handbooks/football/2010/10_1_football.pdf

And you'd be pretty dumb to think that in FBS money for rounds wouldnt come into play. Someone has to travel and someone has to pay for it. Does your simplistic plan have any provisions on who pays for the trip? Doesnt look like it. How far would it fly having #1 Boise State host a #8 Michigan or Tennessee and wreck their budget when Michigan or Tennessee could put half the fans in their stadium and still make more? About as far as your intelligance. Money always rules.


Need more proof? You got it, junior. Ever heard of Jim O'Day? He's the athletic director of the University of Montana (that school we played last year). So they have a playoff. Doesnt mean its successful

The FCS playoff system is hurting financially. We produced $1.1 million of last year’s budget of $2.5 million. The other 11 games produced less than $1 million TOTAL. The NCAA lost almost $500,000 again, and it will not continue to tolerate to follow this plan. Now we’ve added another round and four more teams…. Being on the committee, and as chair, I know this is a major concern to the NCAA – and a last-gasp reason for changing to Frisco, Texas, in hopes of attracting more attention and support. It won’t help to move the championship back three weeks into January – let alone that it will be taking place 40 minutes away from the Cotton Bowl, which has also been moved to that night. So much for FCS exposure on national television. Just to keep the student-athletes on campus during Christmas will also cost the two schools in the championship an additional $100,000 – none of which is budgeted. And to put in perspective, we LOST $150,000 each of the past two year going to the championship game. Had we won, the incentives for coaches would have put the losses over $200,000 each time. We get no additional revenue for any of this.

Text of Jim O'Day's e-mail

I'm still astonished that you even brought up a point. You've got to do some research before stating your case. As I said previously, to know your enemy (for your case the highly successful cfb bowl system) you need to understand them. If you want to bring up a point better make sure there are no flaws in it as I had to point out. Makes you look inept.
 
#30
#30
GreveHaller said:
are you 15? You dont live in the real world then
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Much older than 15. I have a steady job, own a house, and pay monthly bills like everybody else. Real enough for ya???

All I'm saying is that the chance to see Tennessee play for the national title in person would be worth saving up for or splurging over. The fact that I believe that doesn't mean I don't live in the real world.

Not everybody can afford to travel to watch UT play live, but that doesn't mean that those of us who do are outside of the "real world."
 
#31
#31
Boise State hosting Michigan or Tennessee in a national quarterfinal would result in a filled stadium and a large TV audience. There would plenty of money on the table to fly the team there.
 
#32
#32
Your arguments against an FBS playoff continue to revolve around FCS attendance figures and financials.

I'm sorry you can't grasp the concept of that not being an apples-to-apples comparison. That's like researching the Arena Football League's numbers to make plans for the NFL.

There's absolutely no comparison between FCS football and the majority of FBS football in terms of game attendance, TV revenues, and fans willing to travel. I'm referring to the BCS leagues and the top mid-major programs when I refer to the "majority of FBS football."

This thread has the silliest, most flawed arguments against an FBS playoff that I have ever seen.
 
#33
#33
GreveHaller said:
ah, the fcs playoffs. Yet another example where you failed to do your homework.

While the FCS has a playoff, it is far from successful nor is it fair. Where the games are played is determined by (a) a financial guarantee then (b) seedings.


Site Determination. With regard to first-round, second-round, quarterfinal and semifinal sites, in addition to the criteria listed in Bylaw 31.1.3.2.1, the NCAA Division I Football Committee shall consider the following additional criteria when selecting playoff sites:

a. Prospective host institutions must submit the following minimum financial guarantees,
which shall be 75 percent of the estimated net receipts as submitted on the proposed
budget:
First round—$30,000
Second round—$30,000
Quarterfinal—$40,000
Semifinal—$50,000
b. If the minimum financial guarantees are met, the committee will award the playoff
sites to the top five seeded teams.
c. When determining host institutions for playoff games when both teams are unseeded,
criteria shall apply as follows: (1) quality of facility, (2) revenue potential plus estimated net receipts, (3)attendance history and potential, (4) team’s performance
(e.g., conference place finish, head-to-head results and number of Division I opponents), and (5) student-athlete well-being (e.g., travel, missed class time). d. If a second-round, quarterfinal or semifinal playoff site is not available due to the fact the institutions involved did not submit a proposed budget, the committee will contact the institutions and offer the opportunity to submit a bid at the current round’s minimum financial guarantee level. If seeded teams are not involved, the committee will determine the host institutions by applying the championship site-selection criteria in Bylaw
31.1.3.2.1.
e. If no institution is willing to submit a proposed budget at the current level, the previous round’s minimum financial guarantee will be offered. If seeded teams are not involved, the committee will determine the host institutions by applying the championship siteselection
criteria in Bylaw 31.1.3.2.1.http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/champ_handbooks/football/2010/10_1_football.pdf

And you'd be pretty dumb to think that in FBS money for rounds wouldnt come into play. Someone has to travel and someone has to pay for it. Does your simplistic plan have any provisions on who pays for the trip? Doesnt look like it. How far would it fly having #1 Boise State host a #8 Michigan or Tennessee and wreck their budget when Michigan or Tennessee could put half the fans in their stadium and still make more? About as far as your intelligance. Money always rules.


Need more proof? You got it, junior. Ever heard of Jim O'Day? He's the athletic director of the University of Montana (that school we played last year). So they have a playoff. Doesnt mean its successful

The FCS playoff system is hurting financially. We produced $1.1 million of last year’s budget of $2.5 million. The other 11 games produced less than $1 million TOTAL. The NCAA lost almost $500,000 again, and it will not continue to tolerate to follow this plan. Now we’ve added another round and four more teams…. Being on the committee, and as chair, I know this is a major concern to the NCAA – and a last-gasp reason for changing to Frisco, Texas, in hopes of attracting more attention and support. It won’t help to move the championship back three weeks into January – let alone that it will be taking place 40 minutes away from the Cotton Bowl, which has also been moved to that night. So much for FCS exposure on national television. Just to keep the student-athletes on campus during Christmas will also cost the two schools in the championship an additional $100,000 – none of which is budgeted. And to put in perspective, we LOST $150,000 each of the past two year going to the championship game. Had we won, the incentives for coaches would have put the losses over $200,000 each time. We get no additional revenue for any of this.

Text of Jim O'Day's e-mail

I'm still astonished that you even brought up a point. You've got to do some research before stating your case. As I said previously, to know your enemy (for your case the highly successful cfb bowl system) you need to understand them. If you want to bring up a point better make sure there are no flaws in it as I had to point out. Makes you look inept.
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What exactly are you arguing? Interest in fcs games could be economically challenging for those schools yes... What is the correlation to fbs in your view? You are coming off as a true idiot, the millions generated by tv contracts in fbs pay for everything! Even to subsidize televising fcs .. Girls bb , swimming , track , all lose money on tournaments but they have them don't they? Where does that money come from? Wonder lid score is 0 for you bro.
 
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#34
#34
Perhaps the Men's NCAA Tournament should be cancelled, because the Women's Tournament games are sometimes poorly attended.
 
#35
#35
ukvols said:
Your arguments against an FBS playoff continue to revolve around FCS attendance figures and financials.

I'm sorry you can't grasp the concept of that not being an apples-to-apples comparison. That's like researching the Arena Football League's numbers to make plans for the NFL.

There's absolutely no comparison between FCS football and the majority of FBS football in terms of game attendance, TV revenues, and fans willing to travel. I'm referring to the BCS leagues and the top mid-major programs when I refer to the "majority of FBS football."

This thread has the silliest, most flawed arguments against an FBS playoff that I have ever seen.
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True and if the fcs was really losing that much money how could it proceed? Either they make a profit, break even, or it is paid from somewhere else. I wonder where?

Here
The NCAA's Accidentally Leaked Five Years Of Financial Statements (UPDATE)

They are not hurting for money at all .. The NCAA just puts it on the fcs school to control costs...
 
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