Playoff system instead of BCS

#26
#26
Right. Because Tebow and Urban should get another chance to beat the Bama team they just lost to....

Not if they did a Plus 1/4 team playoff.

8 team maybe but that's a risk I'd take because it would still be better than the mess we have now.
 
#27
#27
Not if they did a Plus 1/4 team playoff.

8 team maybe but that's a risk I'd take because it would still be better than the mess we have now.

Whatever system you would make, you'd need to make sure:

1) That by no means could you have a scenario where a team like UF loses tonite, but gets a chance in the playoff to beat the team that beat them for a championship. It makes no sense, screws over one team, and really leaves you wondering "well, they finished split 1-1"

and

2) That some 3 or 4 loss team can get in that suddenly gets hot and then goes on a however many game winning streak and wins the championship.
 
#29
#29
A sixteen team playoff sounds unbelievably terrible. Games like Florida-Troy would be disgraceful. Anything with auto-bids sounds bad. Why should Troy get in over teams that are actually good? And if it were just the top 16 teams, a playoff would begin to diminish the regular season.
 
#30
#30
And if it were just the top 16 teams, a playoff would almost completely diminish the regular season.
FYP.

Say you do just seed the sixteen best teams by committee. Oregon this year makes for a good example. Does anybody disagree it's within the realm of possibility that they are hot enough on offense to run through every team in the FBS (except possibly Alabama)? Yet this season they have been crushed by Boise and Stanford. Why should they get a shot at the title?

I've said it before: Trying to set up a system in college football to determine the national champion that would be considered "fair" every single year is totally, completely, 100% fallible. It can't be done.
 
#31
#31
A plus one solves every legit gripe

boise for instance does not have a legit gripe.
 
#32
#32
I think they do... Or at least more of one than you might give them. They are undefeated with a win over a BCS conference champion. Say they go on and absolutely crush TCU (for whatever that's worth) by 3-4 TD's. Do they get the plus-one then?
 
#33
#33
stanford beat oregon too.

do they deserve a plus 1 if they beat oklahoma?

boise doesn't have the resume. end of story.
 
#35
#35
Eight team playoff. MUST BE CONFERENCE CHAMP TO BE ELIGIBLE. Yes, this means that every conference must have an outright champ, or championship game.

6 BCS conference champs, and 2 at-large bids for the highest ranked non BCS conference champs. And yes, for the love of God, this would nullify Notre Dame's automatic BCS bid. They would either have to vie for one of the at-large bids, or JOIN A CONFERENCE!

I would use the current 4 BCS sites, Fiesta, Sugar, Rose, and Orange and add two more. These two extra spots would go to the highest bidder. For arguments sake, let's just pencil in the Outback, and Cotton Bowls.

These six sites would rotate matchups every year, 1 vs 8, 2 vs 7, 3 vs 6, and 4 vs 5. Followed the two "Final Four" games. The games would simply cycle around every year.

And finally, just as it is now, one of these sites would host the NC game every year. This system would literally add one week to the bowl season, and give us an eight team playoff. I feel much more comfortable arguing over who is ranked 9th and 10th than 3rd and 4th.

Not to mention, with this system, you could keep all the other crap.com bowls if you wanted to. I don't care at all about that. Just give me eight teams, PLEASE!
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#36
#36
1. Name one bowl that has said they would like to be a part of a playoff system (Rose has already said they want no part of it). Keep in mind the payoff of each bowl is dependent on the number of butts in seats.

2. The pundents claim a playoff will make as much if not more. What if it doesnt. What then?
 
#37
#37
1. It's not an issue, it will never happen anyway. Why would they speak out against an issue that isn't even on the table?

2. The argument that a playoff will not make as much money is just wrong. Look at how much more money the NCAA tourney brings in every year than all of the bowls combined.

The fact of the matter is, is that school presidents are against a playoff system, because a playoff would give fans a clear qualifying standard in which to gauge the success or failure of a season. Your team either makes it, or they don't. It has NOTHING to do with students missing school.
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#38
#38
The BCS has been very good for the SEC, why do we want to mess that up?

If changes are to be made, a plus one scenario would be the best option.
 
#39
#39
1. It's not an issue, it will never happen anyway. Why would they speak out against an issue that isn't even on the table?

2. The argument that a playoff will not make as much money is just wrong. Look at how much more money the NCAA tourney brings in every year than all of the bowls combined.

The fact of the matter is, is that school presidents are against a playoff system, because a playoff would give fans a clear qualifying standard in which to gauge the success or failure of a season. Your team either makes it, or they don't. It has NOTHING to do with students missing school.
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1. Really? Then why did the Rose bowl say they would not participate in a playoff system. They said they didnt want to be a semi final game.

2. first off, are you really trying to compare basketball to football?? Basketball works the way it does because it requires up to 8 teams to go to one neutral location for up to 6 games in 2 days before advancement to another neutral location. Football is 2 teams, 1 game, 1 week. Apples and oranges. Now.....if you want to compare it to Div 1-aa football, let me know. Your assumptions wont hold up to the data.
Next, where are you coming up with it that all the bowls put together bring in less than basketball? Link it and we can discuss.
 
#40
#40
The fact of the matter is, is that school presidents are against a playoff system, because a playoff would give fans a clear qualifying standard in which to gauge the success or failure of a season. Your team either makes it, or they don't. It has NOTHING to do with students missing school.
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Yeeeaaah. That's it. The college presidents sit around a room and say "damned be the fans". Run with that one.

Or...... could it be that the presidents, who are head of major institutes of learning that include not only undergraduate but Masters and even doctoral programs of economics, accounting, and public policy with students and faculty at their beckoning call, have ran the numbers and the cost outweight any benefits. See, because that's what businesses do - they look at ALL the positives as well as all the negatives before making a decision. They dont make changes to a successful business model unless they are absolutely positive it will work in the long run.

Making wild assumpions about what the presidents are thinking or not thinking is pretty naive. They are admistrators running businesses and the bottom line is the sole concentration.
 
#41
#41
You will never see a playoff because the best two teams are usually SEC teams. And no one else wants to see two SEC teams play for the title. The way it is now at least other conferences have a chance to get to the title game.
 
#43
#43
Wouldn't want to see 8. A four team would be fine. Max I wouldn't mind seeing is six with top two seeds getting a bye.
 
#44
#44
The problem with the 8 team thing is that the ACC or Big East champ only has even a slim argument as to deserving a shot 10% of the time. BCS determines top 4 (maybe with a stipulation that it's the top four conference champs) and those four get seeded via BCS rankings and then have a +1 for the crystal football.
 
#46
#46
I've heard the argument that making the playoffs takes away from the team feeling they've accomplished something. i.e loss of a trophy. So the 8 teams that make it get

Elite Eight trophy
 
#48
#48
Best way to make everyone happy is to have a plus 3 system. Play the 4 BCS bowls as they used to play them. Let the Rose play their traditional Big Ten/Pac Ten match-up then let the champs from the SEC, Big12 and ACC match-up against two at-large teams and the Big East champ. Using the BCS rankings the highest rated conf. champ (excluding Big Ten/Pac Ten) would match-up against the lowest ranked BCS team and so on.

Rose: Big Ten champ vs. Pac Ten champ

Sugar: SEC champ vs. At-large or Big East champ

Fiesta: Big 12 champ vs. At-large or Big East champ

Orange: ACC champ vs. At-large or Big East champ

Then have a 4 team playoff with the winners of the 4 major bowls.

This year it would look like this:

Rose: #5 Wisconsin vs. #2 Oregon

Sugar: #1 Auburn vs. UCONN

Fiesta: #7 Oklahoma vs. #4 Stanford

Orange: #13 Va. Tech vs. #3 TCU

I don't think the Big East should have an automatic qualifier and just have 3 at-large teams, but that may not change anytime soon.

You could rotate the 3 playoff games between the 4 major bowl locations. One BCS bowl location would be left out each year.
 
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#49
#49
I don't want playoffs. I would like a plus-1, but after 2 or 3 years everyone would be wanting 6, then 8, then 16. I don't buy the garbage that a playoff will cause student's to miss too much class. I do think the college football season has the best regular season because of the no playoff policy. I would be down with 4 teams if I knew for a fact it wouldn't keep expanding to more teams every couple of years. Also, if we did do a playoff it would have to be on the top 4/8/16 BCS rankings. There's no way you can give conference champions the right to be in it. I would prefer for teams such as UConn to be excluded.
 
#50
#50
I don't want playoffs. I would like a plus-1, but after 2 or 3 years everyone would be wanting 6, then 8, then 16. I don't buy the garbage that a playoff will cause student's to miss too much class. I do think the college football season has the best regular season because of the no playoff policy. I would be down with 4 teams if I knew for a fact it wouldn't keep expanding to more teams every couple of years. Also, if we did do a playoff it would have to be on the top 4/8/16 BCS rankings. There's no way you can give conference champions the right to be in it. I would prefer for teams such as UConn to be excluded.

+1
 

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