Police take man's guns away in Oregon

[OrangeEmpire]

wasn't sure I could find this thread again but I just followed the trail of straw



one of my rifles is bigger and more accurate at a longer range. I guess I can't use it for hunting either? I know some animals that will thank you

Which is why people should educate themselves.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

probably could stop right there :whistling:

I'm a man, you can openly talk about me!

 

[OWB]

I'm moving next door!



Speaking of which, I'll be down there during the fall or at the latest january!

We are going to be neighbors!

You can play with my Panzerfaust!

:air_kiss:

Sorry man, I'm in Indiana at the moment. Doesn't kind of make us neighbors already?

 

[gsvol]

Why does a responsible gun owner possessing any weapon he chooses any business of others? The comment about not needing an AK-47 for personal protection all depends on who you might need protection from doesn't it?

There was a case back in the '90s when a vietnam veteran used an AK-47 to defend himself against some local drug dealers in a shoot out, he killed several and ran the rest off, no charges were ever filed.

(this happened in a neighborhood I'm very familiar with.)

I am flabbergasted that you despise freedom.......

:no:

Flabbergasted I say, simply flabbergasted.

I have this in my garage. You know, just in case.

Believe it or not there some vietnam era veterans who have such equipment here in America under their own private ownership, just in case. (dug in and armed.)

I don't have a problem with people owning weapons. It's just that when "the right bear arms" was written, it was a completely different time for a completely different purpose. One has to wonder, given all the powerful weapons we have to choose from today, if "the right to bear arms" would still be written into the constitution. I think it's an interesting question.

Explain the completely different purpose.

You may wonder, I don't, I understand why it was written in.

OK, what's your question????????????

There is always a need for one, especially with the scary, black, Muslim dictator from Kenya. Right gsvol?

Heck, I might as well go buy a silencer, I've always needed one.

Maybe I can use a 50 cal machine gun to kill a deer.

I didn't think you read my posts dildo brain.

Want a silencer? A lawn mower muffler works or you can cut the bottom out of a two litre pepsi bottle, duct tape it to the mussle of your weapon and all you hear is 'poof'.

You should do yourself (and us) a favor and sit on a loaded 50 cal and pull the trigger with your toe.

I don't need a weapon to take you out, I could dispatch the likes of you with my bare hands in seconds.

You know what the white spot on top of a chicken turd is?? Yep, that's chicken sh!t too, just like you, and probably some of your retarded ancesters also.

 

[RobsPics]

Gun nuts who use the 2nd Amendment as an argument as to why they should be able to own an AK-47 are very similar to the pedophiles who use the 1st Amendment as an argument as to why they should be allowed to organize NAMBLA.

They are the lunatic extreme fringe minority. And our Bill of Rights protects the extreme minority, to a certain point.

 

[RobsPics]

I don't need a weapon to take you out, I could dispatch the likes of you with my bare hands in seconds.

Way to go E - Thug!

lol:lol:

 

[Brog]

Gun nuts who use the 2nd Amendment as an argument as to why they should be able to own an AK-47 are very similar to the pedophiles who use the 1st Amendment as an argument as to why they should be allowed to organize NAMBLA.

They are the lunatic extreme fringe minority. And our Bill of Rights protects the extreme minority, to a certain point.

Going to have to try a little harder on your bait tactics.

 

[KB5252]

Most people don't have to hunt for food anymore. They don't live in fear of being attacked. There are other things such as alarm systems and police to protect your house. Those are just a couple of basic examples, but you get the point. What would Thomas Jefferson have done with an RPG? Would Ben Franklin really want to stockpile AK-47's? Who knows, but I doubt it.

The police don't protect your house, they simply come over to write a report and start the process of cleaning up the mess in most cases. Protecting your family from harm is up to you in almost all cases.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

Gun nuts who use the 2nd Amendment as an argument as to why they should be able to own an AK-47 are very similar to the pedophiles who use the 1st Amendment as an argument as to why they should be allowed to organize NAMBLA.

They are the lunatic extreme fringe minority. And our Bill of Rights protects the extreme minority, to a certain point.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

Bam........ come back and enlighten us with your infinite righteousness!

 

[bam15]

Way to go E - Thug!

lol:lol:

I'm not sure if I want to take him off my ignore list, but from what I'm seeing, that is pretty funny.


:birgits_giggle:

 

[gsvol]

Gun nuts who use the 2nd Amendment as an argument as to why they should be able to own an AK-47 are very similar to the pedophiles who use the 1st Amendment as an argument as to why they should be allowed to organize NAMBLA.

They are the lunatic extreme fringe minority. And our Bill of Rights protects the extreme minority, to a certain point.

Your vilification of people with functional brains is waaaaaay misplaced.

You analogy holds water like a speghetti sieve.

Ever wonder why Switzerland never gets invaded?

You can own a howitzer there.

Prévention de Ia guerre par Ia volonté de se défendre (Prevention of war by willingness to defend ourselves.)

When the government adopts a new infantry rifle, it sells the old ones to the public.

The army sells a variety of machine guns, submachine guns, anti-tank weapons, anti-aircraft guns, howitzers and cannons.

Purchasers of these weapons require an easily obtained cantonal license, and the weapons are registered, In a nation of six million people, there are at least two million guns, including 600,000 fully automatic assault rifles, half a million pistols, and numerous machine guns. Virtually every home has a gun.

Switzerland is also the only Western nation to provide shelters fully stocked with food and enough supplies to last a year for all its citizens in case of war. The banks and supermarkets subsidise much of the stockpiling.

Since Swiss-style handgun licensing is the main reason Switzerland has no handgun crime (claims Handgun Control), a Swiss-style system of howitzer licensing would also be a good idea for America.

Lastly, Handgun Control should reverse its policy, and work for repeal of America's ban on the possession of machine guns manufactured after 1986. Handgun Control should push America to adopt the Swiss policy: having the government sell machine guns at discount prices to anyone with an easily obtained permit.

Elementary schools in America should have gun safety classes which teach children never to touch a gun unless a parent is present, and they should be taught to tell an adult if they see an unattended gun.

High schools and colleges wishing to offer target shooting as a sport should be allowed to do so. Unlike football or swimming, scholastic target shooting has never resulted in a fatality.

What America can learn from Switzerland is that the best way to reduce gun misuse is to promote responsible gun ownership.

Firearms safety classes in elementary schools, optional marksmanship classes in high schools and colleges, and the widespread availability of adult safety training at licensed shooting ranges are some of the ways that America can make its tradition of responsible gun use even stronger.

The real lunatic fringe minority are the ones who want to opt for total gun control.

Definition of a police state; 'a state in which only the police have guns.'

Study the history of the world, all countries whose citizens have allowed themselves to be disarmed have had a severe downside, except for Australia and that question is yet to be decided,

it's not going all that well so far.

 

[IPorange]

Lunatic fringe, RobsPics? Seriously? You just discredited your argument, right there alone.

 

[gsvol]

Way to go E - Thug!

lol:lol:

Actually I was just setting him straight.

As a newbie he came on here like he was Ghengis Khan and ended up looking like Pee Wee Herman.

lol:lol: or whatever :biggrin:

Going to have to try a little harder on your bait tactics.

Little baitfish are 'baitfish' challenged from the beginning.

 

[gsvol]

You are not joking are you?

So the gov't gets to decide what is right for you or not?

Are you going to ban books that I collect??????? I have several Nazi books..........

You need a copy of this one:

Death by "Gun Control"

In the 20th Century:

Governments murdered four times as many civilians as were killed in all the international and domestic wars combined.

Governments murdered millions more people than were killed by common criminals.

How could governments kill so many people?

The governments had the power - and the people, the victims, were unable to resist. The victims were unarmed.

About a hundred million victims in the last century in gun control police states. (and the list in the link isn't complete, there are several more I can think of not on their list.)

Oh and another thing, our Gun Control Act of 1968 is almost verbatum of the Nazi gun control act of 1938.

Coincidence??? I think not.

The Nazi Weapons Law of 1938 replaced a Law on Firearms and Ammunition of April 13, 1928. The 1928 law was enacted by a center-right, freely elected German government that wanted to curb "gang activity," violent street fights between Nazi party and Communist party thugs. All firearm owners and their firearms had to be registered. Sound familiar? "Gun control" did not save democracy in Germany. It helped to make sure that the toughest criminals, the Nazis, prevailed.

The Nazis inherited lists of firearm owners and their firearms when they 'lawfully' took over in March 1933. The Nazis used these inherited registration lists to seize privately held firearms from persons who were not "reliable." Knowing exactly who owned which firearms, the Nazis had only to revoke the annual ownership permits or decline to renew them.

In 1938, five years after taking power, the Nazis enhanced the 1928 law. The Nazi Weapons Law introduced handgun control. Firearms ownership was restricted to Nazi party members and other "reliable" people.
.............................

Given the parallels between the Nazi Weapons Law and the GCA '68, we concluded that the framers of the GCA '68 -- lacking any basis in American law to sharply cut back the civil rights of law abiding Americans -- drew on the Nazi Weapons Law of 1938.
.....................................

At the end of June 1968, the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee to investigate Juvenile Delinquency -- chaired by Thomas J. Dodd (D-CT) -- held hearings on bills: (1) "To Require the Registration of Firearms" (S.3604). (2) "To Disarm Lawless Persons" (S.3634) and (3) "To Provide for the Establishment of a National Firearms Registry" (S.3637), among others.

Who in their right mind would deny this?

How can you communicate with these people who seem to be out of touch with reality and rational thought?

One approach to help you deal with anti-gun people is to understand their psychological processes. Once you understand why these people behave so irrationally, you can communicate more effectively with them.
..........................................

Educating others about firearms is hard work. It's not glamorous, and it generally needs to be done one person at a time. But it's a very necessary and important task. The average American supports freedom of speech and freedom of religion, whether or not he chooses to exercise them. He supports fair trials, whether or not he's ever been in a courtroom. He likewise needs to understand that self- defense is an essential right, whether or not he chooses to own or carry a gun.

wasn't sure I could find this thread again but I just followed the trail of straw



one of my rifles is bigger and more accurate at a longer range. I guess I can't use it for hunting either? I know some animals that will thank you

How did the Ausralian gun ban work??

Not very well.

Since Australia banned private ownership of most guns in 1996, crime has risen dramatically on that continent, prompting critics of U.S. gun control efforts to issue new warnings of what life in America could be like if Congress ever bans firearms.

After Australian lawmakers passed widespread gun bans, owners were forced to surrender about 650,000 weapons, which were later slated for destruction, according to statistics from the Australian Sporting Shooters Association.

The bans were not limited to so-called "assault" weapons or military-type firearms, but also to .22 rifles and shotguns. The effort cost the Australian government about $500 million, said association representative Keith Tidswell.

Though lawmakers responsible for passing the ban promised a safer country, the nation's crime statistics tell a different story:


*Countrywide, homicides are up 3.2 percent;

*Assaults are up 8.6 percent;

*Amazingly, armed robberies have climbed nearly 45 percent;

*In the Australian state of Victoria, gun homicides have climbed 300 percent;

In the 25 years before the gun bans, crime in Australia had been dropping steadily;

There has been a reported "dramatic increase" in home burglaries and assaults on the elderly.

About the same can be said of England which is now about as bad as Nazi Germany was when it comes to private gun ownership.

I'm not sure if I want to take him off my ignore list, but from what I'm seeing, that is pretty funny.


:birgits_giggle:

Group photo at a recent moron convention.

LG and bammer one five.

Lunatic fringe, RobsPics? Seriously? You just discredited your argument, right there alone.

If you read the whole link in my reply to rockytop, written by a psychiatrist you will find a complete discription of Robs' mentality concerning guns and gun ownership. Eco-nazis fit nicely in that description also.

 

[gsvol]

I'm moving next door!



Speaking of which, I'll be down there during the fall or at the latest january!

We are going to be neighbors!

You can play with my Panzerfaust!

:air_kiss:

If a politician isn't perfectly comfortable with the idea of his average constituent, any man, woman, or responsible child, walking into a hardware store and paying cash—for any rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything—without producing ID or signing one scrap of paper, he isn't your friend no matter what he tells you.

 

[gsvol]

Medford, Oregon man asks for his guns back.

 

[Slydell]

Medford, Oregon man asks for his guns back.

I have a question from that article. From the first article is this- He was taken to Rogue Valley Medical Center for a mental-health evaluation.

And, from the second article is the following.

OSP checks criminal records and looks for medical holds that might block gun ownership.

Could they now use the eval to refuse returning his property?

 

[hndog609]

I have a question from that article. From the first article is this- He was taken to Rogue Valley Medical Center for a mental-health evaluation.

And, from the second article is the following.

OSP checks criminal records and looks for medical holds that might block gun ownership.

Could they now use the eval to refuse returning his property?

Not only can they but it would appear they are actually pursuing that course.

A different question, and one I don't have the answer to, is how that process would work. Would he be compensated for the FMV of the guns?

 

[gsvol]

I have a question from that article. From the first article is this- He was taken to Rogue Valley Medical Center for a mental-health evaluation.

And, from the second article is the following.

OSP checks criminal records and looks for medical holds that might block gun ownership.

Could they now use the eval to refuse returning his property?

Interesting point, I suppose that would depend on who did the evaluation. Since they released him so quickly, I would guess he must had not been deemed a danger to himself or others.

It's a murky area legally.

He should probably file a $100m civil suit. (missed his bowling night, emotional stress)

That's total BS about having to take 30 days to release the guns, he should petition a court and ask for immediate response.

One thing stands out like an big elephant fart in a small cave. the ACLU is quiet for once.

 

[gsvol]

Gun nuts who use the 2nd Amendment as an argument as to why they should be able to own an AK-47 are very similar to the pedophiles who use the 1st Amendment as an argument as to why they should be allowed to organize NAMBLA.

They are the lunatic extreme fringe minority. And our Bill of Rights protects the extreme minority, to a certain point.

Here is a list of some of your 'lunatic fringe.'

Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth.
George Washington

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."
-- James Madison, The Federalist Papers

"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good"
-- George Washington

"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
-- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188

"Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."
-- John F. Kennedy

"Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest."
-- Mohandas Gandhi, An Autobiography, pg 44

"One of the ordinary modes, by which tyrants accomplish their purposes without resistance, is, by disarming the people, and making it an offense to keep arms."
-- Constitutional scholar and Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, 1840

Men trained in arms from their infancy, and animated by the love of liberty, will afford neither a cheap or easy conquest.
-- From the Declaration of the Continental Congress, July 1775.

"As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives [only] moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun, therefore, be the constant companion to your walks."
-- Thomas Jefferson, writing to his teenaged nephew.

The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
-- Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story of the John Marshall Court

To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.
-- Senator Richard Henry Lee, 1788, on "militia" in the 2nd Amendment


Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defence? Where is the difference between having our arms in our own possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defence be the *real* object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?
-- Patrick Henry, speech of June 9 1788

"To disarm the people... was the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
-- George Mason, speech of June 14, 1788

"The great object is, that every man be armed. [...] Every one who is able may have a gun."
-- Patrick Henry, speech of June 14 1788

That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United states who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms...
-- Samuel Adams, in "Phila. Independent Gazetteer", August 20, 1789

Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of the citizens to keep and bear arms. [...] the right of the citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government and one more safeguard against a tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible.
-- Hubert H. Humphrey, 1960

If I were to select a jack-booted group of fascists who are perhaps as large a danger to American society as I could pick today, I would pick BATF [the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms].
-- U.S. Representative John Dingell, 1980

If gun laws in fact worked, the sponsors of this type of legislation should have no difficulty drawing upon long lists of examples of criminal acts reduced by such legislation. That they cannot do so after a century and a half of trying -- that they must sweep under the rug the southern attempts at gun control in the 1870-1910 period, the northeastern attempts in the 1920-1939 period, the attempts at both Federal and State levels in 1965-1976 -- establishes the repeated, complete and inevitable failure of gun laws to control serious crime.
-- Senator Orrin Hatch, in a 1982 Senate Report

Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops.
-- Noah Webster

The biggest hypocrites on gun control are those who live in upscale developments with armed security guards -- and who want to keep other people from having guns to defend themselves. But what about lower-income people living in high-crime, inner city neighborhoods? Should such people be kept unarmed and helpless, so that limousine liberals can 'make a statement' by adding to the thousands of gun laws already on the books?"
--Thomas Sowell

"Boys who own legal firearms have much lower rates of delinquency and drug use and are even slightly less delinquent than nonowners of guns."
-- U.S. Department of Justice, National Institute of Justice, Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, NCJ-143454, "Urban Delinquency and Substance Abuse," August 1995.

Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound.
-- L. Neil Smith

"Historical examination of the right to bear arms, from English antecedents to the drafting of the Second Amendment, bears proof that the right to bear arms has consistently been, and should still be, construed as an individual right."
-- U.S. District Judge Sam Cummings, in re U.S. vs Emerson (1999).

A man with a gun is a citizen.

A man without a gun is a subject.

A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares about more than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
-- John Stuart Mill, writing on the U.S. Civil War in 1862


So you can get down on your knees and thank God there are so many men better than yourself.

 

[RobsPics]

Here is a list of some of your 'lunatic fringe.'

Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth.
George Washington

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."
-- James Madison, The Federalist Papers

"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good"
-- George Washington

"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
-- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188

"Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."
-- John F. Kennedy

"Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest."
-- Mohandas Gandhi, An Autobiography, pg 44

"One of the ordinary modes, by which tyrants accomplish their purposes without resistance, is, by disarming the people, and making it an offense to keep arms."
-- Constitutional scholar and Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, 1840

Men trained in arms from their infancy, and animated by the love of liberty, will afford neither a cheap or easy conquest.
-- From the Declaration of the Continental Congress, July 1775.

"As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives [only] moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun, therefore, be the constant companion to your walks."
-- Thomas Jefferson, writing to his teenaged nephew.

The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
-- Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story of the John Marshall Court

To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.
-- Senator Richard Henry Lee, 1788, on "militia" in the 2nd Amendment


Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defence? Where is the difference between having our arms in our own possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defence be the *real* object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?
-- Patrick Henry, speech of June 9 1788

"To disarm the people... was the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
-- George Mason, speech of June 14, 1788

"The great object is, that every man be armed. [...] Every one who is able may have a gun."
-- Patrick Henry, speech of June 14 1788

That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United states who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms...
-- Samuel Adams, in "Phila. Independent Gazetteer", August 20, 1789

Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of the citizens to keep and bear arms. [...] the right of the citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government and one more safeguard against a tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible.
-- Hubert H. Humphrey, 1960

If I were to select a jack-booted group of fascists who are perhaps as large a danger to American society as I could pick today, I would pick BATF [the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms].
-- U.S. Representative John Dingell, 1980

If gun laws in fact worked, the sponsors of this type of legislation should have no difficulty drawing upon long lists of examples of criminal acts reduced by such legislation. That they cannot do so after a century and a half of trying -- that they must sweep under the rug the southern attempts at gun control in the 1870-1910 period, the northeastern attempts in the 1920-1939 period, the attempts at both Federal and State levels in 1965-1976 -- establishes the repeated, complete and inevitable failure of gun laws to control serious crime.
-- Senator Orrin Hatch, in a 1982 Senate Report

Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops.
-- Noah Webster

The biggest hypocrites on gun control are those who live in upscale developments with armed security guards -- and who want to keep other people from having guns to defend themselves. But what about lower-income people living in high-crime, inner city neighborhoods? Should such people be kept unarmed and helpless, so that limousine liberals can 'make a statement' by adding to the thousands of gun laws already on the books?"
--Thomas Sowell

"Boys who own legal firearms have much lower rates of delinquency and drug use and are even slightly less delinquent than nonowners of guns."
-- U.S. Department of Justice, National Institute of Justice, Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, NCJ-143454, "Urban Delinquency and Substance Abuse," August 1995.

Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound.
-- L. Neil Smith

"Historical examination of the right to bear arms, from English antecedents to the drafting of the Second Amendment, bears proof that the right to bear arms has consistently been, and should still be, construed as an individual right."
-- U.S. District Judge Sam Cummings, in re U.S. vs Emerson (1999).

A man with a gun is a citizen.

A man without a gun is a subject.

A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares about more than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
-- John Stuart Mill, writing on the U.S. Civil War in 1862


So you can get down on your knees and thank God there are so many men better than yourself.

oohh I must have a hit a nerve comparing gun nuts to NAMLBA supporters and calling both of them the lunatic fringe eh?

Guess what? I am a gun owner as well.

I am just not on the lunatic fringe demanding that the 2nd Amendment means that people should be able to own armored tanks.

LOL like I said...gun nuts and NAMBLA...very similar in that they occupy the lunatic fringe.

 

[gsvol]

oohh I must have a hit a nerve comparing gun nuts to NAMLBA supporters and calling both of them the lunatic fringe eh?

Guess what? I am a gun owner as well.

I am just not on the lunatic fringe demanding that the 2nd Amendment means that people should be able to own armored tanks.

LOL like I said...gun nuts and NAMBLA...very similar in that they occupy the lunatic fringe.

What kind of peashooter do you own??

You hit nothing as you project your misguided, distorted view of reality like the average assuming sheeple.

People already do and they don't care whether you approve or not.

If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival.
- Winston Churchill

The real lunatics are the lunatics who trust the lunatics who want to disarm the American people.

 

[RobsPics]

What kind of peashooter do you own??

You hit nothing as you project your misguided, distorted view of reality like the average assuming sheeple.

People already do and they don't care whether you approve or not.

If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival.
- Winston Churchill

The real lunatics are the lunatics who trust the lunatics who want to disarm the American people.

More with your E - Thug muscle flexing I see? Hehehe, pure comedy gold from the lunatic fringe set.

You can continue to flew your muscles, assert how you can rip people in half with your bare hands, etc...us sane gun owners will just continue to look at you gun nuts like we look at NAMBLA members...with pity and disgust.

 

[gsvol]

You epitomize the average brain dean flaming liberal.
Flame away you only further prove my point.

The pity and disgust are mutual, and I notice you try to appeal to the herd instinct. Moooooo!

Winston finished by saying: "There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves. "