Political question

#27
#27
droski said:
not because he had low taxes.
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why respond? His point avoids the entire comment you made.

The bottom line is that current potential voters are being knowingly lied to about how they will be impacted by Obama's tax plan. Their votes are being bought with a snake oil salesman's lie. It's not about the current administration. It's about Americans refusing to learn enough about Obama and his plans to call it what it is.
 
#28
#28
MG1968 said:
thank you for not answering the question. It's 200k for an individual, btw.
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Yes, I know that, as well it should be. Why do you think that if you file your income tax as married, or head of household, you get a bigger deduction than those who file as single? The 250k is for TWO people.

If I were a single person, I would love to make at least 200k, and think I could afford the extra 3% increase in taxes with no problem.
 
#29
#29
onevolfan said:
Yes, I know that, as well it should be. Why do you think that if you file your income tax as married, or head of household, you get a bigger deduction than those who file as single? The 250k is for TWO people.

If I were a single person, I would love to make at least 200k, and think I could afford the extra 3% increase in taxes with no problem.
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Why does the government deserve that money?
 
#31
#31
onevolfan said:
I could afford the extra 3% increase in taxes with no problem.
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it's not about the socialist notion of "who can best afford it." The American way is about self-determination, fairness, individualism etc. Collectivism runs contrary to the ideals that made this the greatest nation in the world.

Socialism is easy to find if you like it so much. Just head East in the Atlantic and you'll find some sort of handout program to your liking, I promise.
 
#34
#34
BigPapaVol said:
How in the hell did my money get involved?

I like #4 and that kind of thinking is a step in the right direction. Flat tax, fair tax and consumption tax all try to go that direction.
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I assume you mean a flat tax on all non-essentials, correct? B/c otherwise someone making minimum wage would be paying $15 for a burger, right?

Show me a model, an article, a study, something, that makes me believe in this. Show me how we'd actually collect the revenue needed to provide basic public services a majority of voters expects to be provided. Show me how the black market wouldn't undermine such an effort.

I'm open to the concept if I could be convinced it would actually work.
 
#35
#35
volinbham said:
If Count Baracula is telling the truth about his tax plan, I should get a tax break but I still thing his entire approach is wrong and will reduce the economic strength of this country and the opportunity for most to improve their lot in life.
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#36
#36
the black market would go nuts. a flat tax with anyone under 30k not paying anything is the way to go.
 
#39
#39
onevolfan said:
Yes, I know that, as well it should be. Why do you think that if you file your income tax as married, or head of household, you get a bigger deduction than those who file as single? The 250k is for TWO people.

If I were a single person, I would love to make at least 200k, and think I could afford the extra 3% increase in taxes with no problem.
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Take your personal wage out of the equation...... Would you want your hard earned money given away to somebody else who didn't earn it?

Another angle......... Say you work at a business, you are in charge of a project and complete it successfully. You are given a bonus but you come to find out that part of your bonus went to another person who did absolutely zero work on your project. Is that a reasonable outcome?
 
#40
#40
droski said:
the black market would go nuts. a flat tax with anyone under 30k not paying anything is the way to go.
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A flat tax seems fair to me. Any of you economics types know what tax rate would be realistic?
 
#44
#44
vader said:
A flat tax seems fair to me. Any of you economics types know what tax rate would be realistic?
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the number i have heard is 30%. keep in mind we're talking about eliminating all tax loop holes. the buffets of the world will be paying a lot more taxes than they are used to.
 
#45
#45
vader said:
A flat tax seems fair to me. Any of you economics types know what tax rate would be realistic?
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Steve Forbes was talking about a 17% flat tax on all income above 30K. Which sounds like a good idea, not as good as a strictly consumption based tax, but most people in Washington don't want to give up the power that taxing income gives them.
 
#46
#46
MG1968 said:
Steve Forbes was talking about a 17% flat tax on all income above 30K. Which sounds like a good idea, not as good as a strictly consumption based tax, but most people in Washington don't want to give up the power that taxing income gives them.
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And this is why it will never happen.
 
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